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Old November 23rd, 2012, 10:51 PM   #91
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As Jake said in a later post, I do like you and I do not think you are any kind of bigot. if I didn't like you I wouldn't respond to your posts.
first there is misunderstanding which no one has cared to remove.

Seeing Wenge sir taking an anti China position ( of course by his own view ) Deke asked Wenge sir to pay some attention to bigots like me and Fang mistook it as if it was addressed to her by wenge calling her bigot.

at no point of time, did sir call anything like bigot . it all stems from a bit of carelessness which is human.


the only man who has been abused is me and this has further strengthened my view that an Indian is expected only to toe the mainstream view and if he dares differ, he should be prepared for abuses.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 10:54 PM   #92
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Isn't Egypt more old?
if we are talking about antiquity of any civilization it is sumer in Iraq that is oldest followed by Egyptian and IVC .

I talked about culture present today and not which was founded earliest.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 11:39 PM   #93

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Indian civilization is just 65 years old having come into existence in 1947.


and though people call me bigots( damn they who do not read me carefully) , I am very different from those Indians who believe that India would have been like China if not for muslims.

do you really believe that India in 11th and 12th century was intellectually, economically and militarily on par with Song China?

It was not and could have been not and though it may sound bitter but chinese in last 2500 years have outsmarted us economically, technologically and poltically for some 2000 years.

the only time when we were on par or better than china in such matters was Maurya age which is 310 to 200 bc and gupta empire that is 350 to 470 ad which means a total of 230 years mere 10 percent of time.


so India was ahead of china for 10 percent of time whereas china was ahead of india for 90 percent of time.

therefore, saying that India would have been like china but for muslims is wrong.

there is reason why chinese have contempt ( it is not hate but contempt that is behaviour of insulting Indians) towards Indians as they have been more dominating historically and plus Indians are darker than east asians so a bit of racism is also there.
You misunderstood me, what I meant was that Indian culture would be as continuous with Chinese culture if not for Islamic invasion as alot of elements of Persian and Arabic cultures were absorbed in our culture.

I honestly think the Chinese were are ahead of us in all fields is because of racial advantage. Mongoloids have the highest IQ among all populations. I also think that Indian civilization has probably been below that of Romans and Greeks as well as Chinese though...we Indians really are only good at philosophy and mumbo jumbo at times it seems
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I noticed certain bigots were harping about how indo aryans and hinduism should be superior to other peoples in india, that india was the oldest civilization and that the caste system is great, but for some reason you only attack bigots in china.
Besides me, no one has mentioned such things so I presume you have been doing your work of abusing quite continously.
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You misunderstood me, what I meant was that Indian culture would be as continuous with Chinese culture if not for Islamic invasion as alot of elements of Persian and Arabic cultures were absorbed in our culture.

I honestly think the Chinese were are ahead of us in all fields is because of racial advantage. Mongoloids have the highest IQ among all populations. I also think that Indian civilization has probably been below that of Romans and Greeks as well as Chinese though...we Indians really are only good at philosophy and mumbo jumbo at times it seems
here i agree with you to some extent but again you need to define civilization.

if civilization means polity muslim invasions had no part in affecting continuity as there was no pan indian empire but if civilization means culture, religion, literature etc. be rest assured no race on earth is more continous than us.

the things is we can associate in our daily lives much things of pre 600 bc and this is a fact.


as for racial thing, again honestly I second your thoughts.

the mongoloids have higher IQ than we indians and also have vigorous bodies.


infact, i am firm that in classical antiquity ( 600 bc to 600 ad) the greatest civilization was Graeco Roman civilization followed by china.

India was poor third technologically and politically.

this proves that both white people as well as mongoloids were superior to us in ancient times as are now.

nothing but race alone is the reason.
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So? And where are the Mongols and Manchus today? Today, most ethnic Mongols live in China and consider themselves to be Chinese. The Manchus have become even more assimilated.

Even with interruptions, Chinese civilization still remained for the most part continuous, and is still alive today. That's why it's considered one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world. And for most of its history, China has done really well, being very strong and rich.

Was Japan always very strong and rich for most of its history? How does Japan compare to China?
as for japan being stronger, Japanese reached beijing whereas chinese landed two times in japan and were completely wiped out.
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as for racial thing, again honestly I second your thoughts.

the mongoloids have higher IQ than we indians and also have vigorous bodies.


infact, i am firm that in classical antiquity ( 600 bc to 600 ad) the greatest civilization was Graeco Roman civilization followed by china.

India was poor third technologically and politically.

this proves that both white people as well as mongoloids were superior to us in ancient times as are now.

nothing but race alone is the reason.
Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
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Are you serious or are you being sarcastic?
you are really very chatura man.

how could I be serious when people maintain such wrong views?

the only thing i was serious about was mongoloids being physically stronger .
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as for japan being stronger, Japanese reached beijing whereas chinese landed two times in japan and were completely wiped out.
Oh come on, you're just cherry-picking. Overall, for most of the time, China was doing a lot better.

Japan only managed to pull ahead in modern times by mass-copying Western culture and technology.
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you are really very chatura man.

how could I be serious when people maintain such wrong views?

the only thing i was serious about was mongoloids being physically stronger .
Nah, the racial differences can't be that different. The Mongols and Manchus are also mongoloids, and how successful have they been? For most of human history, how strong and wealthy have they been?

Also, China has borrowed a decent amount of culture from India, so India hasn't always been performing poorly.
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