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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:05 AM   #21
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As I said before,Unlike mongols and manchus,they merged into han people quite soon.Unlike song and ming dynasty,han dynasty was such a strong dynasty that all northern barbarian like xiongnu and xianbei people love to learn from han people.mongols and manchus actually looked down at han people.
No, they didn't look down towards the native Chinese, but they certainly didn't trust the native Chinese.

Also, the Song was militarily weak, but the same can't be said for the Ming. The Ming wiped out 95% of the Mongol population, and completely destroyed all the cities in Mongolia. Besides Tumu and Altan Khan harassing some Beijing suburbs, the Ming won just about every encounter with the Mongols. The Ming also defeated the Europeans and the Japanese (Imjin Wars) as well.

Modern research also demonstrates that the Ming had the highest per capita food and iron production out of all the Chinese dynasties.

The Ming was probably the greatest of all the Chinese dynasties, so what exactly was weak about it?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:09 AM   #22
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So? And where are the Mongols and Manchus today? Today, most ethnic Mongols live in China and consider themselves to be Chinese. The Manchus have become even more assimilated.

Even with interruptions, Chinese civilization still remained for the most part continuous, and is still alive today. That's why it's considered one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world. And for most of its history, China has done really well, being very strong and rich.

Was Japan always very strong and rich for most of its history? How does Japan compare to China?
Have I mentioned Japan?I just want to say if china has a so called "unbroken chain of civilization",then by what kind of standard,India,Greece,Egypt,Rome don't have it?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:09 AM   #23
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As I said before,Unlike mongols and manchus,they merged into han people quite soon.Unlike song and ming dynasty,han dynasty was such a strong dynasty that all northern barbarian like xiongnu and xianbei people love to learn from han people.mongols and manchus actually looked down at han people.
I heard that in Japan, they claim that Chinese culture deteriorated after the Mongol invasion. So you believe that the quality of Chinese culture during the Ming Dynasty had deteriorated? And this is based on what evidence?

You are aware that out of the 4 great classical novels in Chinese literature, 3 were written during the Ming? 水滸傳, 三國演義, and 西遊記?
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Did I mentioned Japan?I just want to say if china has a so called "unbroken chain of history",then by what kind of standard,India,Greece,Egypt,Rome don't have it?
Chinese civilization isn't 100% continuous, but it's more continuous than what happened in India, Greece, Egypt, Rome, etc.

India, for example, had entire civilizations being displaced, disappearing, and being replaced with other groups of people.

Egypt, for example, had a lot change with the Greek, Roman, and Arab invasions.

After the Roman Empire fell, it stayed fractured, and never stayed together to the same degree as with Chinese civilization.

The Mongols and Manchus did rule China, but they've become assimilated by Chinese culture. Of course, they did influence Chinese culture, but Chinese culture influenced them much more.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:17 AM   #25
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I heard that in Japan, they claim that Chinese culture deteriorated after the Mongol invasion. So you believe that the quality of Chinese culture during the Ming Dynasty had deteriorated? And this is based on what evidence?

You are aware that out of the 4 great classical novels in Chinese literature, 3 were written during the Ming? 水滸傳, 三國演義, and 西遊記?
What are you talking about?I didn't say that.
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Chinese civilization isn't 100% continuous, but it's more continuous than what happened in India, Greece, Egypt, Rome, etc.

India, for example, had entire civilizations being displaced, disappearing, and being replaced with other groups of people.

Egypt, for example, had a lot change with the Greek, Roman, and Arab invasions.

After the Roman Empire fell, it stayed fractured, and never stayed together to the same degree as with Chinese civilization.

The Mongols and Manchus did rule China, but they've become assimilated by Chinese culture. Of course, they did influence Chinese culture, but Chinese culture influenced them much more.
So,what do you think about buddhism and Communism?why converting to islam or Hinduism is not continuous but converting to buddhism is?And I think Greece and rome civilization is continuous enough.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:28 AM   #27
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What are you talking about?I didn't say that.
No world civilization is completely 100% continuous, but I believe that Chinese civilization is more continuous than the other civilizations that you mentioned.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:33 AM   #28
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So,what do you think about buddhism and Communism?why converting to islam or Hinduism is not continuous but converting buddhism is?And I think Greece and rome civilization is continuous enough.
China is still deeply Confucian in terms of its culture. I'm American myself, and I'm visiting China right now, and that's the impression that I get.

Buddhism is much stronger in Japan.

Communism is just a political label, if you actually look at modern Chinese society, it's certainly not communist.
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So,what do you think about buddhism and Communism?why converting to islam or Hinduism is not continuous but converting to buddhism is?And I think Greece and rome civilization is continuous enough.
Also, China performed very well for longer periods of time. During the native Chinese dynasties (Han, Tang, Song, and Ming), China was quite strong and rich.

Did the Greeks or Romans perform as well for as long?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 11:00 AM   #30
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really? That does not mean they conquered the ENTIRE Tang Dynasty?
The xianbei conquered north china only, they ruled the northern wei. The xianbei then mixed with han people, so the founders of the sui and tang dynasty were mixed. They claimed their patrilineal lineage (father's side of family) was han and their mothers were part xianbei, the tang emperors traced their patrilineal line back to laozi to emphasize their hanness, since the patrilineage in china determines your ethnicity. In chinese culture you take after your father's ethnicity.
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