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Old November 21st, 2012, 08:57 PM   #61

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so why did the american civil war belong to usa's history?

I think your most big problem is you mixed the three concepts into together and used them chaotic .

"civilization " \ "regime"\ " country"

"civilization continue" means the text keep continue, culture keep continue, the ethinic groups who build the civilization keep continue, language continue keep continue, etc.

history of civilization include the whole development of civilization.

"regime continue" means one person or one ethinic group built it, but no any regime can continue forever, common it always falled down quickly.

country is the modern concept, it is only one authority, sometimes the concept will mixed with regime or civilization.

china is not only one country, but also one civilization.(the OP had clearly pointed out .)

her text, culture, etiquette, ethinic group and so on, continue till now and keep influence to people, so china is still one continuous civilization, the point had not changed by regime changing. the dynasty changed from shang to zhou, or from tang to song, or from ming to qing, all viewed as regime change, not as civilization broken.

what you said about three kingdoms period, war states period, we only viewed them as regime changing, not as civilization breaking.

you lost the point, then lost the understand.
China may be one country but its current civilization is made up from various other civilizations. China is not the same civilization that began 2,233 years ago. It is not the same civilization that existed at the end of Manchurian rule. Its civilization like all of them have changed and evolved to the point that are would not be recognizable to their fore bearers.

I have not lost the point. I do not agree with it completely. People keep saying that Egypt changed and others changed so they are not continuous. Well China has changed in many ways and they are still there so if China is a continuous civilization solely on the fact that they are still there then Egypt and the others mentioned, that are still there, are continuous as well.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:19 PM   #62

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China may be one country but its current civilization is made up from various other civilizations. China is not the same civilization that began 2,233 years ago. It is not the same civilization that existed at the end of Manchurian rule. Its civilization like all of them have changed and evolved to the point that are would not be recognizable to their fore bearers.

I have not lost the point. I do not agree with it completely. People keep saying that Egypt changed and others changed so they are not continuous. Well China has changed in many ways and they are still there so if China is a continuous civilization solely on the fact that they are still there then Egypt and the others mentioned, that are still there, are continuous as well.
what I said is enough, the rest parts need youself to think.

manchus used the chinese texts, chinese don't use the manchu texts, that is enough to prove which is the main part of civilization .

as for egypt, if egypt still use the ancient egypt texts today or not?

of course, I don't think you are really care about these.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:31 AM   #63
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China may be one country but its current civilization is made up from various other civilizations. China is not the same civilization that began 2,233 years ago. It is not the same civilization that existed at the end of Manchurian rule. Its civilization like all of them have changed and evolved to the point that are would not be recognizable to their fore bearers.

I have not lost the point. I do not agree with it completely. People keep saying that Egypt changed and others changed so they are not continuous. Well China has changed in many ways and they are still there so if China is a continuous civilization solely on the fact that they are still there then Egypt and the others mentioned, that are still there, are continuous as well.
Good point, but I think that the issue is one of relativity. I would argue that the Chinese civilization is more continuous than the Egyptian civilization. Though neither are 100% continuous.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:42 AM   #64

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as for egypt, if egypt still use the ancient egypt texts today or not?
Well, no it doesn't, but China doesn't use the Shang dynasty bone oracle script either. You can argue that the modern Chinese script is a descendant of the Shang dynasty script whereas modern Egyptian (Arabic) is not a descendant of the heiroglyphics used by ancient Egypt, but all cultures absorb input from other cultures. Hellenic Egypt maintained many of the traditions and culture of pre-Hellenic Egypt, so could be said to be continuous.

BUT... (and this is a big but), the semitic alphabets (including Arabic) are believed to be descended from Egyptian heiroglyphics. Just don't tell Thessalonian that.

Anyway, I thought Sumeria pre-dated ancient Egypt.
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Well, no it doesn't, but China doesn't use the Shang dynasty bone oracle script either. You can argue that the modern Chinese script is a descendant of the Shang dynasty script whereas modern Egyptian (Arabic) is not a descendant of the heiroglyphics used by ancient Egypt, but all cultures absorb input from other cultures. Hellenic Egypt maintained many of the traditions and culture of pre-Hellenic Egypt, so could be said to be continuous.

BUT... (and this is a big but), the semitic alphabets (including Arabic) are believed to be descended from Egyptian heiroglyphics. Just don't tell Thessalonian that.

Anyway, I thought Sumeria pre-dated ancient Egypt.
The copts are direct descendants of the ancient egyptian and their liturgical language is coptic, which is descended from ancient egyptian, but they speak arabic and not coptic as their vernacular language, they are all orthodox christian (they don't follow ancient egyptian religion), and their alphabet is mostly derived from greek with a little demotic.

Other egyptians are not cultural descendants of ancient egypt. Some identify strongly as arabs with arabia as their original homeland.
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China may be one country but its current civilization is made up from various other civilizations. China is not the same civilization that began 2,233 years ago. It is not the same civilization that existed at the end of Manchurian rule. Its civilization like all of them have changed and evolved to the point that are would not be recognizable to their fore bearers.

I have not lost the point. I do not agree with it completely. People keep saying that Egypt changed and others changed so they are not continuous. Well China has changed in many ways and they are still there so if China is a continuous civilization solely on the fact that they are still there then Egypt and the others mentioned, that are still there, are continuous as well.
China only absorbed things from other civilizations, while egypt had entire foreign civilizations imposed on it and their own nearly exterminated.
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China only absorbed things from other civilizations, while egypt had entire foreign civilizations imposed on it and their own nearly exterminated.
China had it's conquerors Sinicized. :S
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 04:10 PM   #68

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Well, no it doesn't, but China doesn't use the Shang dynasty bone oracle script either. You can argue that the modern Chinese script is a descendant of the Shang dynasty script whereas modern Egyptian (Arabic) is not a descendant of the heiroglyphics used by ancient Egypt, but all cultures absorb input from other cultures. Hellenic Egypt maintained many of the traditions and culture of pre-Hellenic Egypt, so could be said to be continuous.
You had said what I want to say.

but ancient Egypt text Hiérpglyphe had very far distance with Arab text, Hiérpglyphe is hieroglyphs kind text, but Arab text is more near alphabetic writing, that are almost two writing systems, of course maybe there have some trace keep but the distance is far indeed.

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Anyway, I thought Sumeria pre-dated ancient Egypt.
I agree your point, Sumeria is more old, it is very unfortunately that it disappeared.

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BUT... (and this is a big but), the semitic alphabets (including Arabic) are believed to be descended from Egyptian heiroglyphics. Just don't tell Thessalonian that.
just curious, what will happen if tell Thessalonian that?
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just curious, what will happen if tell Thessalonian that?
Oh, at least 58 pages of arguments to say that it didn't...
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:16 PM   #70

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All civilizations change, China is no exception. The fact remains though that Chinese culture has changed the least out of all civilizations.

I will rank Indian civilization as the second most continuous (would be like Chinese if not for Muslims).
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