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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:59 PM   #71

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All civilizations change, China is no exception. The fact remains though that Chinese culture has changed the least out of all civilizations.

I will rank Indian civilization as the second most continuous (would be like Chinese if not for Muslims).
Race change should be calculated into about the change of Indian civilization too.

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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:26 PM   #72

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Race change should be calculated into about the change of Indian civilization too.

You are going to need to explain to me why this is necessary?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:47 PM   #73

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You are going to need to explain to me why this is necessary?
If you want.

The different bettweeen dravidian and aryan people and hindustani.

I didn't know the indian history enough so I had the question.

The ancient indian civilization was founded by dravidian.
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Race change should be calculated into about the change of Indian civilization too.
Wrong on all accounts. I guess you are referring to the Aryan Invasion Theory?
Well even the most Eurocentric scholars now agree that it was more of a migration by a few elites that dominated the dying Indus society by affecting its linguistics, etc. Similar example can be seen in the case of modern Turkey where the previous people who were Armenians, Anatolians, Greeks now call themselves Turks. Genetic contribution of the original Seljuk/Ottoman Turks to Turkey's population is very low indeed.
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If you want.

The different bettweeen dravidian and aryan people and hindustani.

I didn't know the indian history enough so I had the question.

The ancient indian civilization was founded by dravidian.
We have not deciphered the script of Indus valley hence we do not know if its Dravidian or Indo-European, etc.

Analysis of skeletons at a few IVC sites shows that the racial composition of its inhabitants to be about the same as in modern day Gujarat and Sindh.
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Wrong on all accounts. I guess you are referring to the Aryan Invasion Theory?
Well even the most Eurocentric scholars now agree that it was more of a migration by a few elites that dominated the dying Indus society by affecting its linguistics, etc. Similar example can be seen in the case of modern Turkey where the previous people who were Armenians, Anatolians, Greeks now call themselves Turks. Genetic contribution of the original Seljuk/Ottoman Turks to Turkey's population is very low indeed.
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We have not deciphered the script of Indus valley hence we do not know if its Dravidian or Indo-European, etc.

Analysis of skeletons at a few IVC sites shows that the racial composition of its inhabitants to be about the same as in modern day Gujarat and Sindh.
thanks for these information.

so, the later Aryan people inherited the previous civilization from Dravidian (if the ancient civilization really was founded by Dravidian ) or ancient Gujarat and Sindh people?
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You are going to need to explain to me why this is necessary?
I noticed certain bigots were harping about how indo aryans and hinduism should be superior to other peoples in india, that india was the oldest civilization and that the caste system is great, but for some reason you only attack bigots in china.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 06:22 PM   #78

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I noticed certain bigots were harping about how indo aryans and hinduism should be superior to other peoples in india, that india was the oldest civilization and that the caste system is great, but for some reason you only attack bigots in china.
and I am not bigot, if wenge had ever read my posts, he should know I respect to indian culture and history.

Aryan Invasion Theory is one famous theory so I had that suggestion, I am glad other posters (especially indian posters) can correct me if I misunderstanded it indeed.

look like wenge like me. ( I am just joking)

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thanks for these information.

so, the later Aryan people inherited the previous civilization from Dravidian (if the ancient civilization really was founded by Dravidian ) or ancient Gujarat and Sindh people?
Yes there is remarkable continuity between the Indus culture and the Ganges valley civilization that gave rise to classical India. The Saraswati River (now the semi-annual stream Ghaggar-Hakra) has the densest concentration of sites, and later Ganges civilization worship Saraswati as goddess of learning. Swastika is used in IVC and in modern day Hinduism. Fire altars which form the basis of Vedic religion have been found in IVC sites. Bulls and peepal tree were revered (still revered in India), etc.

Granted the continuity is not as strong as China due to major catastrophes in Indus valley as drying of Saraswati, floods due to plate tectonics, and dessication of the land which was felt in the contemporary civilizations of West Asia.

From 1700 BCE to present day though, Indian culture has been pretty continuous just like China.
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I noticed certain bigots were harping about how indo aryans and hinduism should be superior to other peoples in india, that india was the oldest civilization and that the caste system is great, but for some reason you only attack bigots in china.
I for one think the caste system was/is inherently flawed since its conception but it was nowhere as rigid as in the Middle Ages. However that being said, I think the caste system is the only reason that the culture of India survived the Islamic onslaught.
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