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Old November 24th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #1
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The poverty of the lower ranks of people in China far surpasses that of the most beggarly nations in Europe. In the neighborhood of Canton, many hundred, it is commonly said, many thousand families have no habitation on the land, but live constantly in little fishing boats upon the rivers and canals. The subsistence which they find there is so scanty, that they are eager to fish up the nastiest garbage thrown overboard from any European ship. Any carrion, the carcase of a dead dog or cat, for example, though half putrid and stinking, is as welcome to them as the most wholesome food to the people of other countries.
Adam Smith did not even visit china, so he had no idea about the social fabric of canton, or the reason why those people in canton were poor and living in boats.

Those boat people were not ethnic chinese. They were the tanka, aboriginal natives of southern china pushed to the sea by chinese colonization. They were by law and by tradition segregated and banned from living on land and marrying chinese. They were forced by law to live in boats, and earn money through prostitution to foreigners, heavily discriminated against and despised by normal chinese people, forced into poverty by their ethnicity like gypsies in europe.

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This is an excellent example of why hearsay and second hand accounts are unreliable.

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Adam Smith did not even visit china, so he had no idea about the social fabric of canton, or the reason why those people in canton were poor and living in boats.

Those boat people were not ethnic chinese. They were the tanka, aboriginal natives of southern china pushed to the sea by chinese colonization. They were by law and by tradition segregated and banned from living on land and marrying chinese. They were forced by law to live in boats, and earn money through prostitution to foreigners, heavily discriminated against and despised by normal chinese people, forces into poverty by their ethnicity like gypsies in europe.

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This is an excellent example of why hearsay and second hand accounts are unreliable.
Another proof of the inhumanity of Chinese civilization though they were consistently most advanced race.
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Another proof of the inhumanity of Chinese civilization though they were consistently most advanced race.
These tanka cooperated with the portuguese during their settlement in macao and helped the british as pilots (for ships) during the opium war. They provided wives and prostitutes for the foreigners, they "shielded" ordinary chinese women from foreign men.

By the way for someone whose civilization has untouchables and caste system it is really hypocritical to call this inhumanity.
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These tanka cooperated with the portuguese during their settlement in macao and helped the british as pilots (for ships) during the opium war. They provided wives and prostitutes for the foreigners, they "shielded" ordinary chinese women from foreign men.

By the way for someone whose civilization has untouchables and caste system it is really hypocritical to call this inhumanity.
Yes caste system is evil but it was not always so rigid. Indians did not genocide and forcefully assimilate nations like the Chinese. China is a lot like Muslims: they only know and respect force.
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Another proof of the inhumanity of Chinese civilization though they were consistently most advanced race.
The Chinese are not a separate race of people among the asians.
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The Chinese are not a separate race of people among the asians.
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I think you are mistaking modern china with ancient china.

Ancient china was not that bad and hardly genocided other races unlike muslims and infact it was their policy not to mess up with barbarians which meant they were not that aggressive.

What we see now is communist china and communists whether indians or russians or chinese are bloodthirsty.

In Tibet, I do not know of any mass killings before CPC times.

so it is not proper to put ancient china on par with muslims.

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The Chinese are not a separate race of people among the asians.
are they not different from Indians and Iranians ?

and it is a fact that mongoloids are physically stronger than Indians and perhaps have more IQ.

Though I think chinese advancement was due to superior political system of china but who knows race played some part in that.

however, example of Japan and korea prove the opposite.

though china was more powerful and advanced than india most of time, but same can not be said against japan and korea who are quite young cultures as before 600 ad we have no literature or arts of these people.
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@ Pushyamitra

I think you are mistaking modern china with ancient china.

Ancient china was not that bad and hardly genocided other races unlike muslims and infact it was their policy not to mess up with barbarians which meant they were not that aggressive.

What we see now is communist china and communists whether indians or russians or chinese are bloodthirsty.

In Tibet, I do not know of any mass killings before CCP times.

so it is not proper to put ancient china on par with muslims.
Wrong. China has forcefully assimilated various of the southern tribes by genocide and ethnic swamping.

Torture was institutionalized in China like no other. Qing dynasty routinely boiled rebellious Tibetans alive during their occupation of it. CCP is proudly following the traditions laid out by the brutal Qin shi Huang and subsequently followed by all Chinese leaders.
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Wrong. China has forcefully assimilated various of the southern tribes by genocide and ethnic swamping.

Torture was institutionalized in China like no other. Qing dynasty routinely boiled rebellious Tibetans alive during their occupation of it. CCP is proudly following the traditions laid out by the brutal Qin shi Huang and subsequently followed by all Chinese leaders.
shih huang di was never regarded as morally superior man and he is vehemently criticized by confucian scholars of later times. his hero image is due to Mao and cpc propaganda.

Qing dynasty was a foreign dynasty imposed on chinese and the manchus killed more hans than any other race.

you can not use a foreign dynasty acts to blame native chinese.

show me such genocides of other people by chinese in Tang, Ming or Song period.
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