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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #1
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Nomads settling in northern china


The xianbei, the shatuo, khitan, and countless other nomadic peoples settled in northern china and mixed with chinese. The han dynasty and jin dynasty deliberately settled nomads in northern china. A certain user on this forum is claiming chinese people never mixed with nomads.

http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...ml#post1152465

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Old November 28th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #2

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The title may be subtly different but I already fear for this thread. The old argument is under Moderator Review. I think it would be wise to await their decision before attempting to discuss this subject once again.
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jurchens(manchus) are not nomads, a big mistake.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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jurchens(manchus) are not nomads, a big mistake.
Its bo_wong who mentioned manchus and nomads in the same post. He also falsely claimed they were illiterate, they adopted jurchen script from khitan script which was based on chinese characters during the jin dynasty.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #5
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The xianbei, the shatuo, khitan, and countless other nomadic peoples settled in northern china and mixed with chinese. The han dynasty and jin dynasty deliberately settled nomads in northern china. A certain user on this forum is claiming chinese people never mixed with nomads.

http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...ml#post1152465

http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...ml#post1152491
so whats your point???? about Bo_Wong???
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #6

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jurchens(manchus) are not nomads, a big mistake.
jurchens have two kinds, main living way is fishing and hunting, parts is nomads, sometimes parts have agricultural too.

In fact, there have historical saying to say they are half finshing and hunting, half of nomads.

on the other hand, common jurchens and manchus were viewed as two kinds of ethinic groups, although they have history relatation indeed.

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Old November 30th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #8
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The xianbei, the shatuo, khitan, and countless other nomadic peoples settled in northern china and mixed with chinese. The han dynasty and jin dynasty deliberately settled nomads in northern china. A certain user on this forum is claiming chinese people never mixed with nomads.

http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...ml#post1152465

http://www.historum.com/asian-histor...ml#post1152491
Not only those groups, but groups from the very beginning of Chinese history, such as the Guifang of the Shang period, Beidi of the Zhou period, Rong of the Spring & Autumn and Warring States period, and so on.

At the same time, however, it is necessary to divest yourself of the notion that nomads were a race onto themselves. Nomadicism is a way of life, which was taken up by a vast diversity of peoples across the Eurasian steppes and the regions that bordered them. Not only did nomads migrate into China, but people from China also became nomads and migrated to the steppes, and this has been going on from the time nomadicism began, and indeed before it began, though in that case the 'nomads' were not nomads but just other sedentary / hunter gathering groups living in what later became nomad territory.
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