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Old December 11th, 2012, 08:48 AM   #111
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I think its due to:

- India's diversity....and the resultant conflicts that hinders any nation's progress.

- India's close proximity to the Middle East and its turbulances, while China's isolation (not complete ofcourse) has benefited her.

- India was strangled with colonization more than China...

- China had more stability when it comes to regimes...

I agree with a lot of what you say. India, unlike China, had to contend with invasions by civilizations as advanced and as powerful as India. The Persians, the Greeks, the Arabs had civilizations comparable to India's own. Even when China was invaded, it was by people culturally and technologically inferior.

Also, the China did have longer lasting dynasties than in India. The Han united China for some 4 centuries, the Ming for 3 centuries, the Qing for 2 1/2 centuries, all longer than the time India was united. The Mughals lasted a few centuries, but they never ruled all of India, and the time they ruled even most of India was relatively brief.:,!
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I think its due to:

- India's diversity....and the resultant conflicts that hinders any nation's progress.

- India's close proximity to the Middle East and its turbulances, while China's isolation (not complete ofcourse) has benefited her.

- India was strangled with colonization more than China...

- China had more stability when it comes to regimes...

I agree with a lot of what you say. India, unlike China, had to contend with invasions by civilizations as advanced and as powerful as India. The Persians, the Greeks, the Arabs had civilizations comparable to India's own. Even when China was invaded, it was by people culturally and technologically inferior.

Also, the China did have longer lasting dynasties than in India. The Han united China for some 4 centuries, the Ming for 3 centuries, the Qing for 2 1/2 centuries, all longer than the time India was united. The Mughals lasted a few centuries, but they never ruled all of India, and the time they ruled even most of India was relatively brief.:,!
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Old December 11th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #113

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I think India don't miss anyone on the "Inherent quality" of being a great nation, like it demonstrated in modern and ancient history...Its just its consequences....

Something that differentiates India.....Is that it was never an 'expansionst' nation....all the struggles were mostly internal unlike all the civilizations surrounding India...
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I agree with a lot of what you say. India, unlike China, had to contend with invasions by civilizations as advanced and as powerful as India. The Persians, the Greeks, the Arabs had civilizations comparable to India's own. Even when China was invaded, it was by people culturally and technologically inferior.

Also, the China did have longer lasting dynasties than in India. The Han united China for some 4 centuries, the Ming for 3 centuries, the Qing for 2 1/2 centuries, all longer than the time India was united. The Mughals lasted a few centuries, but they never ruled all of India, and the time they ruled even most of India was relatively brief.:,!
good analysis.

though your mentioning Mughals is not correct as they

1. were foreign powers

2. came much later

3. civilization had flourished for some 2200 years in india and they were irrelevant.
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I must say that despite all of China's technological brilliance, its civilization is at least 1500 years younger than India's. There were well planned cities in India when at the same time in China, people were living in wooden villages.
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I must say that despite all of China's technological brilliance, its civilization is at least 1500 years younger than India's. There were well planned cities in India when at the same time in China, people were living in wooden villages.
ofcourse and ours is more continous.
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ofcourse and ours is more continous.
China also had brilliant Ming dynasty while our civilization was under the yoke of Islam.
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China also had brilliant Ming dynasty while our civilization was under the yoke of Islam.
look, you are mixing up civilization with polity .

vedic religion, marriages, customs and gods are alive in india whereas in china none of the things survive from pre zhou period.

however, i do know that while china was passing through its golden age in brilliant song and ming dynasties, india was being destroyed beyond repair.
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look, you are mixing up civilization with polity .

vedic religion, marriages, customs and gods are alive in india whereas in china none of the things survive from pre zhou period.

however, i do know that while china was passing through its golden age in brilliant song and ming dynasties, india was being destroyed beyond repair.
I see your point but our civilization is a very wounded civilization and I am not so sure it will ever recover 1000 years of trauma from Islam and British.
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I see your point but our civilization is a very wounded civilization and I am not so sure it will ever recover 1000 years of trauma from Islam and British.
ofcourse, infact it is on ventilator per se.

when you see indians honouring akbar, jehangir and calling kashmir part of central asia , it is enough indication that it is dying.
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