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Old January 4th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #1
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Why is it so important for Indians about 1962 Sino-Indian Conflict?


i continuously hear the "1962 war" from indian. as a chinese, it's really difficult to understand why it is so important to 5000 year old country india.

i look at wikipedia and find that that "war" last for 1 month, 80 thousand chinese army fight with 10 thousand indian army, with 1000 dead at indian side and 800 dead at chinese side.

if we compare this "war" to korea war, korea war last for more than 3 years, 1.5 million chinese army along with millions of NK army, fighted with half a million american/UN army and million SK army, with 0.5 million dead china side, 200 thousand dead american side.

or, let's look at china-japanese war, with 30 million chinese dead in 8 years.

i respect india and indian, and have been there twice. but i dont understand their view on the tiny confliction of 1962. they published thousands of book about that "war", argued millions of post about it on internet. 60 years later, they are still stick on this tiny event. i really want to know the reason for indian to do that.
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It has something to do with the post-war effects on India.
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Nothing unites a fractured counrty like a common enemy
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Nothing unites a fractured counrty like a common enemy
Fractured country? Please elaborate? I am confused
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Fractured country? Please elaborate? I am confused
It wasn't particularly frectured. But I read on the very same forum that It actually changed the rigid stance of dravid nationalists and their movement lost its momentum thanks to the war. Althaugh I am quiet not sure.
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i continuously hear the "1962 war" from indian. as a chinese, it's really difficult to understand why it is so important to 5000 year old country india.

i look at wikipedia and find that that "war" last for 1 month, 80 thousand chinese army fight with 10 thousand indian army, with 1000 dead at indian side and 800 dead at chinese side.

if we compare this "war" to korea war, korea war last for more than 3 years, 1.5 million chinese army along with millions of NK army, fighted with half a million american/UN army and million SK army, with 0.5 million dead china side, 200 thousand dead american side.

or, let's look at china-japanese war, with 30 million chinese dead in 8 years.

i respect india and indian, and have been there twice. but i dont understand their view on the tiny confliction of 1962. they published thousands of book about that "war", argued millions of post about it on internet. 60 years later, they are still stick on this tiny event. i really want to know the reason for indian to do that.
The point is we the Indians were humiliated in this border skirmish. We were exposed as a nation with weak Political and Military Leadership. We lost thousands of square kilometers of territory which we may never get back.
Most importantly, our brave soldiers were sacrificed most unnecessarily when they were not armed and clothed properly due to bungling of our top army staff and a snake in our political establishment, namely, Krishna Menon, who was a closet communist and happened to be the Defence Minister.
Reasons enough for us to remember this border skirmish till today, dont you think ?
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Reason enough indeed; Krishna Menon certainly made a mess of this. He was an interesting character!
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i continuously hear the "1962 war" from indian. as a chinese, it's really difficult to understand why it is so important to 5000 year old country india.

i look at wikipedia and find that that "war" last for 1 month, 80 thousand chinese army fight with 10 thousand indian army, with 1000 dead at indian side and 800 dead at chinese side.

if we compare this "war" to korea war, korea war last for more than 3 years, 1.5 million chinese army along with millions of NK army, fighted with half a million american/UN army and million SK army, with 0.5 million dead china side, 200 thousand dead american side.

or, let's look at china-japanese war, with 30 million chinese dead in 8 years.

i respect india and indian, and have been there twice. but i dont understand their view on the tiny confliction of 1962. they published thousands of book about that "war", argued millions of post about it on internet. 60 years later, they are still stick on this tiny event. i really want to know the reason for indian to do that.

In comparision to China, independent India faught 4 major wars with pakistan and one with china. So obviously every war is important for the India. However I can understand that as a chinese person you must have been surprised by the importnace given by the Indian people on the 1962 war. However there are certain reasons why it is still fresh in the Indian mind.

Independent India treated China as good old neighbour, the two of whom are witnessing each others rise and fall for 5000 years. And the independent India tried to renovate the same age old relations with china. India was the first country who offically recognized PRC. Infact before 1962 there was one famous slogan in India - Hindi chini bhai bhai - (Indians and Chinese are brothers ) So obvioulsy when China attacked India, people felt like they have been back stabbed by the China, which created a bitter memory in their mind. And that memory towards the china is still fresh in their mind. And that is one of the main reason why it is given such an importance in India.

The second thing is that it was total failure of Indian ideology based on the ideas of non violence and world peace. Indians were still in the euphoria about their non violent movement with which they achieved their independance and started to think that non violance and peace can achieve anything, especially Nehru's five points philosophy. The war reminded them of the bitter truth that one still has to play Real politik to survive in this world.

And third most of the Indians still think that before war Aksai chin was part of India. They aren't aware of the fact that china was in control of that area for 8 -10 years. So they still think that the china captured the land which belonged to India for a long time.

And fourth as a chinese you must have learned the chinese version which might have been differant than the Indian one and might be more soft in its presentation.

Personally I think that Nehru's bad foreign policy combined with his ideology (which althaugh seems very nice on the paper but not applicable practically) are more at fault for India's loss than anything else. However Indian goverment which is practically run by Neru dynasty since indepandance with the help of Nehruvian ellites obviously tries to downplay his mistakes so people think that China is the only culprit for the disaster.

PS: My parents recently visited China and People were very warm and friendly towards them as you said earlier. However Chinese goverment isn't that much friendly to India.

and welcome to the forum.
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Reason enough indeed; Krishna Menon certainly made a mess of this. He was an interesting character!
He was arrogant and totally ignorant about the requirements of a modern army, which Indian Army was far from being one.
He constantly insulted and hectored the Army Chief Gen. Thimayya, a competent officer who having come from the old British- Indian Army had faced the Germans in the Egyptian desert and had enough foresight and ability plus the best of interests in heart as regards the improvement of the Indian Army.
Krishna Menon nominated Gen B.M. Kaul ( an officer, who was a relative of the Prime Minister Nehru and whose experience was essentially in the Army Supply Corps ) as the in-Charge of the Eastern Command and asked him to drive out the Chinese incursions as if these were simply some warts on the Indian territory. Kaul took one look at one of the forward posts and fell ill and was vacated to the Delhi hospital of the Army where he lay till almost the end. He did come back to the front, but had to be carried on the back of a soldier in order to inspect the Army. A farce and a bitter tragedy combined !
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During his years in England, he played a central role in founding Pelican books, which has performed a valuable service ever since in making serious non-fiction books available to a wide audience at a cheap price; so something unequivocally good to remember him for there, even if many aspects of his political career were controversial.
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