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Old January 22nd, 2013, 09:05 AM   #91

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Guys, take your own advice. This would be an interesting topic on its own.
forgive my ignorance , what does this mean ?

are you suggesting it would be better if we stick back to our own opinions ?

Sorry , but really , I did not get that !!

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Is India failing? Last time I checked India is on the rise and set to be a Superpower or at the very least a Great Power in the next decade or so. But let's not underestimate the negative effects of imperialism on their colonies.
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Is India failing? Last time I checked India is on the rise and set to be a Superpower or at the very least a Great Power in the next decade or so. But let's not underestimate the negative effects of imperialism on their colonies.
India does not have a true thermonuclear weapon and their ICBMs do not reach as far as China's ICBMs, which can reach all of europe and north america. Since China has thermonuclear weapons and longer range ICBM's, and is not a superpower then India definitely isn't.

India would have to have a true mutually assured destruction option for all the other nuclear armed superpowers to compete as one, its nuclear weapons yield isn't powerful enough and their missles can't reach America, France or Britain, all of whose missles can reach India. Britain and France launch by submarine. And also not enough missles. China's nuclear arsenal would be able to survive an initial strike from India and retaliate.

The Soviet Union and the United States both had tens of thousands of thermonuclear ICBMs and besides that, constantly rotated nuclear armed submarines and bombers flying all over the world to ensure second strike capability.

China has several hundred solid fueled missles, it keeps them hidden to be assembled at short notice for retaliation against a first strike, and is also building its own nuclear armed subs, India is buying nuclear submarine.

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India does not have a true thermonuclear weapon and their ICBMs do not reach as far as China's ICBMs, which can reach all of europe and north america. Since China has thermonuclear weapons and longer range ICBM's, and is not a superpower then India definitely isn't.

India would have to have a true mutually assured destruction option for all the other nuclear armed superpowers to compete as one, its nuclear weapons yield isn't powerful enough and their missles can't reach America, France or Britain, all of whose missles can reach India. Britain and France launch by submarine. And also not enough missles. China's nuclear arsenal would be able to survive an initial strike from India and retaliate.

The Soviet Union and the United States both had tens of thousands of thermonuclear ICBMs and besides that, constantly rotated nuclear armed submarines and bombers flying all over the world to ensure second strike capability.

China has several hundred solid fueled missles, it keeps them hidden to be assembled at short notice for retaliation against a first strike, and is also building its own nuclear armed subs, India is buying nuclear submarine.
we don't want to wage a war, india just wants to defend itself, India is sufficiently militarized to defend itself
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India does not have a true thermonuclear weapon and their ICBMs do not reach as far as China's ICBMs, which can reach all of europe and north america. Since China has thermonuclear weapons and longer range ICBM's, and is not a superpower then India definitely isn't.
I said that it's set to be a Great Power in the next decade, and a Superpower sometime during this century. That's not wrong.

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India would have to have a true mutually assured destruction option for all the other nuclear armed superpowers to compete as one, its nuclear weapons yield isn't powerful enough and their missles can't reach America, France or Britain, all of whose missles can reach India. Britain and France launch by submarine. And also not enough missles. China's nuclear arsenal would be able to survive an initial strike from India and retaliate.
Like I said. It's not a Superpower yet. But it will be in time if it's strength keeps going.

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China has several hundred solid fueled missles, it keeps them hidden to be assembled at short notice for retaliation against a first strike, and is also building its own nuclear armed subs, India is buying nuclear submarine.
What I said above.
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India does not have a true thermonuclear weapon and their ICBMs do not reach as far as China's ICBMs, which can reach all of europe and north america. Since China has thermonuclear weapons and longer range ICBM's, and is not a superpower then India definitely isn't.
Different threat perceptions. China sees the US as a threat. So they create a missile with the needed range for that purpose.

India sees only Pakistan and China as a threat now. Not Australia, not EU, not Africa, not N. America, etc. So there is no need for those ranges.

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The missile with the longest range is an overkill.

If there is a time when Europeans try East India Company again India will have the range to obliterate certain key European cities.

About the whole superpower thing -- If the USA at its peak is the model of a superpower, China and India arent even close.

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Am I the only one who finds it interesting that white people still complain about events that happened to them 150 years ago and attribute all manner of unlikely things to those events, but if non-whites complain about the legacy of things still within living memory they should shut up and deal? The spirit of Empire is theft and looting, uplifting the locals is never anything to do with it. Empire is evil, it is brutal. People who advocate it should have it tried on them first.
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A regular excuse for the failures of the Indian sub-continent and its inhabitants by their apologists and the professional victims is that their wealth was "stolen" by British colonialism.
While the British ruled India from 1857 after the Sepoy mutiny was crushed until 1947, the sub-continent was, of course, never colonised.
In recent years it has become fashionable for moaners to quote, or often misquote the British economist, Angus Maddison, who calculated the relative GDPs and incomes of various regions of the world at different times in history in order to provide a history of world economics.
Simplistically, many "cherry pick" little bits of data, then misuse them to prove their case that "they wuz robbed" by suggesting that, as India had 25% of the world GDP in 1600, but only 4.1% in 1950--the rest had to have been "stolen". Here, though is an interesting illumination and a different presentation---by an Indian.
If Communism could ruin Russia in the period 1917-91, why would ruling a subcontinent and looting it for profit not ruin a subcontinent? It seems that British people want to avoid responsibility for the consequences of their own actions, hardly a failing unique to the perpetrators of atrocities and looting worldwide. Colonialism was an evil, destructive force.
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If Communism could ruin Russia in the period 1917-91, why would ruling a subcontinent and looting it for profit not ruin a subcontinent? It seems that British people want to avoid responsibility for the consequences of their own actions, hardly a failing unique to the perpetrators of atrocities and looting worldwide. Colonialism was an evil, destructive force.
Then it's very wrong of you to live in the United States and benefit from that colonialism.
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