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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #351
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Actually India's border was far more ahead of Indus river, when Mongols began to raid, then Sultani army for strategic reason decided to fortify East bank of Indus River as West bank of Indus river seemed un-defendable. Thus the concept that Indus valley river is India's western border came.



If you can prove Turkic Sultans or Mughals considered themselves as Pakistani, if you can prove they ruled their empire from Lahore or Islamabad instead of Delhi or Agra, only then I will accept your opinion.

The landmass of Pakistan was never distinct civilization from rest of India.

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Both Hindu Shahi(note it is also in present Afghanistan) and Sindh(although Multan too was part of Sindh) were Indian kingdoms.

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Kabul Shahi kingdom at it's highest extent in present Afghanistan(although I think Eastern border as shown in map is faulty), note it was Kabul Shahi kings first to resist on behalf of people of landmass of Present Pakistan against your "hero" Mahmud of Ghazni.

So much for India's border being in East of Indus River Basin.
The kingdoms which were part of ancient Pakistan had nothing to do with Republic of India, whatever the religion of the rulers or the population at large.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:34 PM   #352

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People of Pakistan welcomed Qasim, Ghzni, Abdali, Ghor etc against the oppressive Hindu rulers.
If people of Pakistan welcomes Arabs or Qasim then why it took Arabs over 50 years to conquer a small kingdom like Sindh? You know in present Balochistan area Hindu tribes at least 2 times routed Arab armies, killing Arab generals in battlefield when only a few soldier managed to escape?

Do you know when Sultan was returning after plundering Somnath temple then Jats harassed him, that forced him to launch a punitive expedition, the war which was fought in River Indus? Do you know Sultan Mahmud's army killed thousands Carmathian heretics in Multan, the bloodshed was so high that Sultan Mahmud could not leave his sword as his sword got struck with his hand in blood?

Kabul Shahi kings were so benevolent that even Al Beruni paid respect when that dynasty fell.

When Abdali came, then Sikhs were fighting insurgency war both in East and West Punjab?

These dont prove people of "Pakistan" supported attackers.

I dont know about Ghors though.

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They therefore are our heroes. They helped us getting rid of a Raja who married his sister to save his kingdom as even Lord Krishna lived in incest with his sister Subhadra, sharing her with his brother Balarama.
I never heard any such Heroes who killed, plundered people of any country when they received respect too.

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The kingdoms which were part of ancient Pakistan had nothing to do with Republic of India, whatever the religion of the rulers or the population at large.
Any mention of ancient Pakistan in contemporary literature? Is there any inscription in which any King of these dynasties announced himself as king of ancient Pakistan? Give evidence.

Btw when Timur was in outskirt of Delhi, then he ordered to kill 100,000 Hindus in one day, I guess many of them were captured from landmass of present Pakistan.

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People of Pakistan welcomed Qasim, Ghzni, Abdali, Ghor etc against the oppressive Hindu rulers. They therefore are our heroes. They helped us getting rid of a Raja who married his sister to save his kingdom as even Lord Krishna lived in incest with his sister Subhadra, sharing her with his brother Balarama.
Hahaha

Never heard a sentence as funny as this one. So you welcomed Ghazni and Ghori to loot and plunder you and rape and enslave your women and made them your icons for such Heroic deeds!!! Bravo...Even if for the sake of argument we believe that those people were invited than also it shows how inapt the people were that they couldn't even throw the tyrannical ruler by themselves and have to invite someone from outside. Now that is completely new even by the standards established by you. I think Imran Khan should invite Afghans and Persians to invade the Pakistan in keeping up with the practice of the past alive!!!

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We are the people of Indus Valley Civilisation. Who are you guys by the way.
We are the people of Harappan civilization who migrated to east after its collapse. We are the people who don't seek our heritage in some other country's past. We are the people who don't make the language of some other country as our national language. We are the people who don't epitomize the looters and mass murderers of civilians as our national heroes. To be certain we are certainly not the People of Islamic republic of Pakistan.

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Never heard a sentence as funny as this one. So you welcomed Ghazni and Ghori to loot and plunder you and rape and enslave your women and made them your icons for such Heroic deeds!!! Bravo...Now that is completely new even by the standards established by you.



We are the people of Harappan civilization who migrated to east after its collapse. We are the people who don't seek our heritage in some other country's past. We are the people who don't make the language of some other country as our national language. We are the people who don't epitomize the looters and mass murderers of civilians as our national heroes. To be certain we are certainly not the People of Islamic republic of Pakistan.
Ancient Pakistan is a Pakistani heritage and is no concern of Republic of India. The people who migrated eastwards after fading out of Indus Valley Civilisation were slaves or workers who had earlier come from the east to serve the people of the IVC at their call. They went back when they couldn't keep their jobs. The slaves and working class can not claim the heritage of places where they merely served. Please find your own glorious past if you had one.
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Ancient Pakistan is a Pakistani heritage and is no concern of Republic of India. The people who migrated eastwards after fading out of Indus Valley Civilisation were slaves or workers who had earlier come from the east to serve the people of the IVC at their call. They went back when they couldn't keep their jobs. The slaves and working class can not claim the heritage of places where they merely served. Please find your own glorious past if you had one.
Please provide the proper evidence or Scholarly article backing your claim. Otherwise I am not interested in your bizarre and fancy OPINIONS.

And I don't need to find my identity in the past. I don't care whether my ancestors were Brahmins or slaves or untouchables. I love Past but I don't live in it.
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Please provide the proper evidence or Scholarly article backing your claim. Otherwise I am not interested in your bizarre and fancy OPINIONS.

And I don't need to find my identity in the past. I don't care whether my ancestors were Brahmins or slaves or untouchables. I love Past but I don't live in it.
Why then are you so much perturbed on the past history of Pakistan. And the obvious doesn't need any evidence.
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Ticker, stop trolling.

Everybody, stay on topic and stop responding to what you may perceive as irresponsible or insincere statements.

I'm closing this thread for some time. When it's reopened there shouldn't be a repeat of what's been going on over the last few pages. Keep my warning in mind.

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