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Old February 15th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #1
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Was the 1949 revolution in China more about nationalism than communism?


I've got an interesting assignment topic which i think may interest a few of the members here. Basically, can the 1949 revolution in China be considered to be more a nationalist movement than a communist one?
I'd like to hear some ideas..
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I think all Asian Communism can be seen more as nationalism than communism. The communists backed the nationalists struggles from early on while western goverments supported collonialism, so they adopted communismm out of pragmatism to advance their causes.
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Yeah now I think about it, I think your right. The country was meant to come together and work together for the good of the nation.
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If it was merely a form of nationalism, and sure it was partially, then all the killing of intellectuals and forced re-education and so forth wouldn't have occurred.
There was a serious philosophy going on behind it all. It was not enough to kick out the foreigners, the old Chinese society had to be ripped up and remade too.
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If it was merely a form of nationalism, and sure it was partially, then all the killing of intellectuals and forced re-education and so forth wouldn't have occurred.
There was a serious philosophy going on behind it all. It was not enough to kick out the foreigners, the old Chinese society had to be ripped up and remade too.
Good point. However the attitudes and approach of the revolutionaries pre-revolution and post-revolution may have differed. Was the remaking of the old Chinese society a manifestation of Chinese nationalism, albeit extreme and perhaps misguided? Although I agree, it wasn't just about kicking out the foreigners and to say the revolution was just nationalist seems naive.
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Re: Was the 1949 revolution in China more about nationalism than communism?


I think that most of these post-WW2 revolutions were more nationalism. Communists just happened to know how to win. For one, they stuck around to fight during WW2 and so had public sympathy, and for two, they knew how to play the people and gain their support (i.e. no raping and pillaging).
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Old February 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM   #7
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From what I understand is, the Communist fought the Japanese but not nearly as much as the Nationalists did. The Nationalist held the coastline which was where much of the Japanese bombing occurred. While both sides suffered, the Nationalist suffered more. The Nationalist also increased taxes, treated their soldiers poorly whilst the leaders were living in luxury and Nationalist soldiers destroyed towns, executed people and raped thousands if not millions.

While the war was won against the Nationalists and Communist, the Communist really won. They appeared to fight heroically as well as treated the peasants who were under their control extremely well. This showed how it wasn't so much a Communist revolution but a nationalist revolution under the Communist name.
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I think all Asian Communism can be seen more as nationalism than communism. The communists backed the nationalists struggles from early on while western goverments supported collonialism, so they adopted communismm out of pragmatism to advance their causes.
I actually think it was the other way around - they believed more in communism but had to adapt it to China to gain support. There was a pre-existing nationalism that the communists had to recognise and appeal to. I think they emphasised nationalism in order to advance their core, communist beliefs. (although they were no doubt nationalistic anyway)
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Old February 27th, 2009, 06:17 AM   #9
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Do you mean Chinese Civil war? Mao just used comminism to cheat poeple" Everyone has food to eat". A lier. During Mao's reign, most people in China more than ten million Chinese staved to death. Some gnawed trunk, others ate human flesh.So they can survive.
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The question might be true only in case of Asia.

Even nowadays, lots of Asian nations' political party, usually the conservatives are Pro Americans (less likely to be nationalists since these pro Americans like American way ideas) while the liberals seek their own country's nationalisms.

That is indeed true in Japan and South Korea at least.
Indeed, North Koreans always argues that we, Korean people, should believe Korean people, not Americans or not Chinese, meaning they are more nationalists.

In Japan, the rulling party (I don't know exact name) is very pro Americans, not seeking Japanese own nationalism.

It should be noted that Korean and Japanese right wing is mainly from the conservatives, but what they argue is reflecting lots of U.S. interests, failling to reflect Korean or Japanese own nationalism.

And considering the Kuomingtang (the ones who lost to Mao) was very friendly to Americans during the war against Japan in WW2, that might be true.

Still, there are lots of South Koreans who believe we should stick with the blood (North Korean), not with alliance (U.S.). And some of them are in Congress too though their seats in Congress is very small.
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