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Old March 20th, 2013, 10:21 AM   #1

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Indo-Aryans are not the only Caucasoids of India


In fact, they do not even form the dominant Caucasian group in India. There are other Caucasian ethnicities in India who have migrated to India after the Nirvana of Buddha, such as:

1. Indo-Scythians - Jats mostly, also called Sakas. Their warlords Mihirkula was probably a Christian.
2. Hepthalites/ White Hunas - Most of them became Rajpoots after Brahmins raised them to the status of Brahma-Kshastra kings to drive away remaining traces and influences of Buddhism among common people in western India (especially Rajasthan).
3. Gurjara-Pratiharas : They are also Caucasians and their descendants are mostly called Gurjars as a caste in India in current times. The oldest record of these tribes in India date to around 11th century. They were also most definitely from Central Asia.
4. Indo-Greeks, descendants of Alexander's armies who multiplied and formed a significant Caucasian family in current times, but got absorbed into various tribes of India.
5. Indo-Iranian (Parsis) - The only Zoroastrian people extant in the world who migrated to India after the rise of Islam in Iran.


Considering the above, the Indo-Aryans were just one of the Caucasian groups in Northern India, unlike the established theory that the Aryans form the majority of India's current population and that they were the first civilized people in India.


In fact, Indo-Aryan Brahmins are not the only Aryans who live in India. The Aryan races in India are:

1. Indo-Aryan (Brahmins mostly).
2. Indo-Iranian (Zoroastrians)
3. Persian Muslim invaders and descendants(Muslims in India)
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Old March 20th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #2

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What about Kushans ? You can list them too.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 11:49 AM   #3

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What about Kushans ? You can list them too.

You are right.

Kambojas and Kushans are another group of Caucasians who may have dropped their Caucasian genes into the Indian genepool.

Among the Muslims, there were Persians (Aryans who converted into Islam), Turks, and even Arabs.

With so many different Caucasian ethnicities having imbibed their genes into the "Indian people" I wonder why even the European Indologists were misled into simplistically thinking of India as an Aryan civilization. All the history books on India, including those authored by Indians themselves (of both right and left political inclination) tend to begin the story of Indian history from the migration of Caucasian Indo-Aryans.

Austroasiatics who form the substratum of Indian genepool are completely ignored as if they do not even exist. They once existed as far South as Kerala (where they formed Chera dynasty) and as far North as the Himalayas (where they became "Hinduized" and are currently part of Hindu castes). Most of the Gangetic plains population shows the traces of Austroasiatic origin including many "high castes". Kalinga was also mostly inhabited by the Austroasiatics where they were dominant till as late as 14th century. Prajnatara, a Magadhan Buddhist monk of 14th century India, who later served as a court Buddhist advisor to Korean and Chinese kings, wrote in his travelogue of the people and the culture of the regions that he visited during his journey from Magadha to Lanka to East Asia. He mentions that the Austroasiatics formed the ruling kingdom in Kalinga (modern Orissa).

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Even people that do not belong to these groups are considered "Caucasoids".

And most Indians are not a part of the Indo-Aryans, etc, etc, etc.
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Even people that do not belong to these groups are considered "Caucasoids".

And most Indians are not a part of the Indo-Aryans, etc, etc, etc.

It is true that Indian people have absorbed Caucasian influences from various different ethnicities (Aryans to Turks to YueZhi etc).

But the reason why I am emphasizing this point is because most of the Indian history textbooks portray Indo-Aryans as some kind of founders civilization in India, which is unfair to the original Austroasiatics. They are not even counted as being an ethnic group in Indian history texts. Standard school texts on Indian history preach that 70% of Indian population is Aryan, which is wrong and it should be corrected.

Pre-Aryan people were the first settlers and they were not uncivilized barbarians living in trees when the Indo-Aryans encountered them. They already knew how to extract Iron independently and had elaborate (casteless) matriarchal culture which was significantly different from the patriarchal Aryan culture. Even the Hindoo mythological epic Ramayana by Valmiki mentions that the Rakshasa had greater wealth compared to Aryans and they had more complex and bigger forts relatively.

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Another misconception is that many North Indian higher caste Caucasian people nowadays tend to show their superiority over other "lower castes" by flaunting their Aryan origins. For example, Rajputs discriminate against the other people by claiming to be Aryans of Solar race (Suryavanshi) which is ludicrous considering that Rajpoots were created by Brahmins from the Royalty of the Huna (Caucasian) and Gond (Dravidian) tribes after a ceremony and they were given the title "Brahma-Kshatra" kings. They may be Caucasoid, but they are not Aryans. You do not realize the extent to which the lies of Aryans has gone into the veins of racist Indians/Hindoos.

Indo-Aryans, even when they became dominant in North-western India, were simply a minority people, and at that time most of the Indians were not Caucasians.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 10:23 AM   #6

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Ok, I don't dissagree, but they were never as significant as Indo-Aryans. I mean, how many Indo-Greeks do you think invaded India?
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Ok, I don't dissagree, but they were never as significant as Indo-Aryans. I mean, how many Indo-Greeks do you think invaded India?

The only descendants of Indo-Aryans today are the Brahmins and they form about 2% of the total Indian population. In what way are they significant? Just because they influenced the language? The Mughals invaded India and were a minority, but because of them Urdu became an important language of high culture in North India.

In fact, even in terms of religion Indo-Aryans took more from the pre-Aryans then vice versa. Their religion of Vedas was more similar to Zoroastrianism as it is followed today, but it was abandoned and replaced by various cults. Many sects like Advaita were rip offs from Buddhism. Both Zoroastrians and Indo-Aryans were worshipers of fire. Even today rituals like marriage ceremony to Death ceremony are not complete without the altar of fire. But thats about it. Most of the gods, goddesses etc worshiped by Hindus today are pre-Aryan and taken over by Aryans (Tirupati and Jagannath are important examples). Zoroastrians do not go about worshiping some deity idols in a temple, they do their ceremonies in front of fire. I am pretty sure early Indo-Aryans did the same.

I think it was Majumdar or probably Jha, an Indian scholar, who had declared that Hinduism is 70% Buddhism.

As far as Indo-Greeks are concerned, many of them migrated along with Alexander and settled in North-western India. Considering that the differences between Caucasian Aryans and pre-Aryan non-Caucasoids were more pronounced in the past when they had not mixed, all Caucasians (Indo-Greeks too) naturally were invited into Aryan societies as opposed to the darker-skinned natives. They probably mixed with the Aryan society. I've read that Gurjaras, who are also Caucasoids, are of Greek origin. The only problem is that the earliest date when they were recorded in India was in 11th century AD.

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What evidence is there for the pre-Indo-Aryan cultures being matriarchal?
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The only descendants of Indo-Aryans today are the Brahmins and they form about 2% of the total Indian population. In what way are they significant? Just because they influenced the language? The Mughals invaded India and were a minority, but because of them Urdu became an important language of high culture in North India.
These Brahmins are bastards, just like every other group of people in India. There is no way you're going to be in India for 2000 years and not get mixed.

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But the reason why I am emphasizing this point is because most of the Indian history textbooks portray Indo-Aryans as some kind of founders civilization in India, which is unfair to the original Austroasiatics. They are not even counted as being an ethnic group in Indian history texts. Standard school texts on Indian history preach that 70% of Indian population is Aryan, which is wrong and it should be corrected.
Indus valley was much more advanced than those Indo-Aryans. The books say 70% of the Indian population speaks an Indo-Aryan language, not that they are Aryans.


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Another misconception is that many North Indian higher caste Caucasian people nowadays tend to show their superiority over other "lower castes" by flaunting their Aryan origins. For example, Rajputs discriminate against the other people by claiming to be Aryans of Solar race (Suryavanshi) which is ludicrous considering that Rajpoots were created by Brahmins from the Royalty of the Huna (Caucasian) and Gond (Dravidian) tribes after a ceremony and they were given the title "Brahma-Kshatra" kings. They may be Caucasoid, but they are not Aryans. You do not realize the extent to which the lies of Aryans has gone into the veins of racist Indians/Hindoos.

Indo-Aryans, even when they became dominant in North-western India, were simply a minority people, and at that time most of the Indians were not Caucasians.
What is Caucasoid? It's based off of skull shape.

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If the British saw a tribe of albino Indians on a hill somewhere, they would have labeled them, "Caucasoid".

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India got prototypes of it's languages and religion from these central Asian people, but everything else is so different from civilizations of C. Asia.


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