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Old January 1st, 2018, 10:24 AM   #31

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These aren't overlapping. They are all Indian. By the way, Punjabi and Sindhi are not ethnicities but regional identities like 'New Yorker' or 'Palestinian'.
Panjabi and Sindhi are primarily linguistic identities, not just regional identities. A Panjabi or Sindhi who settles in Bengal or Maharashtra will still be a Panjabi or Sindhi. Conversely, the Arabs who ruled Sindh after the Muslim conquest in the 8th century (like the Habbari dynasty) were not considered "Sindhis" despite ruling the region for many centuries; they were always considered Arabs. Only indigenous converts to Islam adopted the Arabized last name of "al-Sindhi" (i.e. "the Sindhi").

Whether or not such regional linguistic groups can be classified as "ethnicities" depends on how you define the term "ethnicity." Personally, I regard my own linguistic group (Telugu) to be an ethnicity and a nation, just like Germans or Italians or Spaniards.
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Panjabi and Sindhi are primarily linguistic identities, not just regional identities. A Panjabi or Sindhi who settles in Bengal or Maharashtra will still be a Panjabi or Sindhi. Conversely, the Arabs who ruled Sindh after the Muslim conquest in the 8th century (like the Habbari dynasty) were not considered "Sindhis" despite ruling the region for many centuries; they were always considered Arabs. Only indigenous converts to Islam adopted the Arabized last name of "al-Sindhi" (i.e. "the Sindhi").

Whether or not such regional linguistic groups can be classified as "ethnicities" depends on how you define the term "ethnicity." Personally, I regard my own linguistic group (Telugu) to be an ethnicity and a nation, just like Germans or Italians or Spaniards.
I think South Indian peoples like Telugus, Tamils, and maybe even Kannadas can be considered ethnic groups because the subgroups there aren't really scattered. For example, all Irulas are Tamil and Reddys are Telugu. This is different to non-Dravidians where tribal identity (e.g. Jatt, Rajput, etc) takes precedence and claiming descent is based on tribal identity. Saying that you're of Punjabi descent doesn't seem like an accurate thing to say since non-Punjabis can become Punjabis after living there for a while (maybe a generation) whereas [correct me if I'm mistaken] the same may not be the case among Telugus or Tamils. There is also an ancient concept of a Tamil and Telugu ethnic identity but Punjabi has always referred to any Indic people in Punjab. Nowadays, there are Pashtuns and Kashmiris in Punjab that are seen as Punjabis.
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At first I thought this is a new thread, and I was just browsing through absent-mindedly. Until I came across the first 2014 post of mine in it. Bugger it.
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I think South Indian peoples like Telugus, Tamils, and maybe even Kannadas can be considered ethnic groups because the subgroups there aren't really scattered. For example, all Irulas are Tamil and Reddys are Telugu. This is different to non-Dravidians where tribal identity (e.g. Jatt, Rajput, etc) takes precedence and claiming descent is based on tribal identity. Saying that you're of Punjabi descent doesn't seem like an accurate thing to say since non-Punjabis can become Punjabis after living there for a while (maybe a generation) whereas [correct me if I'm mistaken] the same may not be the case among Telugus or Tamils. There is also an ancient concept of a Tamil and Telugu ethnic identity but Punjabi has always referred to any Indic people in Punjab. Nowadays, there are Pashtuns and Kashmiris in Punjab that are seen as Punjabis.
Muluknadu Brahmins are Telugu Brahmins, Pericharana are Tamil Brahmins, Hoysala Karnataka and Havyaka Brahmins are Kannada Brahmins. All these Brahmins reside in Kannada Nadu. There are so many other groups that are scattered across different regions of South India, and we cannot claim that Kannadigas are one ethic group. It is absolutely wrong to do that.
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