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Old October 2nd, 2014, 10:31 AM   #31
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LOL, you're Lithuanian and you say noway to southern Chinese independence. This is somewhat ironic, isn't it?

Why don't you Baltic peoples unite with Mother Russia if you really like unity instead of freedom
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I definitely want to see China become a multi-regional democracy instead of a behemoth united under the autocratic regime of CCP.

Unity and power are not that important; culture, people, and liberty are the most valuable.
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LOL, you're Lithuanian and you say noway to southern Chinese independence. This is somewhat ironic, isn't it?

Why don't you Baltic peoples unite with Mother Russia if you really like unity instead of freedom
Lithuanians are not Russians while southern Chinese are hnrn.
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Southern China should be independent. We have a different culture and a different set of mentality from the northerners....
Makes sense. Scotland recently had a vote for independence from the UK. The UK government had to promise benefits to Scotland to maintain a no vote (even though there is question of them winning or not and the fear tactics used to maintain the vote).
Shouldn't a unifying government have to compete to keep its governing districts from wishing for independence?

From the way you have conveyed the current state of China it seems that rather than trying to compete for favor in regions the Government is pro-northern culture and is trying to force these cultures and customs on other regions all while governing the economic practices of regions? Is this a correct conclusion to draw?

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CCP just want to lump all people together, no matter whether you're a Tibetan, a Uighur, or a southern Chinese, you must obey the CCP and the rule of Beijing. They don't want to see regional culture, they just want absolute power and unity.
That is one annoying aspect of globalism. Yes convenience can be amazing but why should certain people be forced to assimilate to a nation state or a global entity... Is there not a middle ground?
Can't a region consume globalized products but be allowed to maintain its own customs, culture, and history?
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LOL, you're Lithuanian and you say noway to southern Chinese independence. This is somewhat ironic, isn't it?...
Honestly it is rather ironic.
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...Unity and power are not that important; culture, people, and liberty are the most valuable.
I agree especially with liberty. Why should some abstract unifying entity have say on the business matters and policies of a region's economy. What is economically feasible for one region is not for the other. Especially in a country as big as China or the United States.
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Lithuanians are not Russians while southern Chinese are hnrn.
At one point Lithuanians were part of the USSR.
China maintained different Dynasties throughout much of its history.
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Lithuanians are not Russians while southern Chinese are hnrn.
"Hanren" is just an umbrella term for Chinese. There are many regional variations within the so-called "Han Chinese" ethnicity. In fact, I don't really think "Han Chinese" is an ethnicity; we are really just different peoples assimilated (or rather, "dominated") by the central government and the Sinitic culture.
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Unity and power are not that important; culture, people, and liberty are the most valuable.
The ability to project power is very important for every strong country.
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Makes sense. Scotland recently had a vote for independence from the UK. The UK government had to promise benefits to Scotland to maintain a no vote (even though there is question of them winning or not and the fear tactics used to maintain the vote).
Shouldn't a unifying government have to compete to keep its governing districts from wishing for independence?

From the way you have conveyed the current state of China it seems that rather than trying to compete for favor in regions the Government is pro-northern culture and is trying to force these cultures and customs on other regions all while governing the economic practices of regions? Is this a correct conclusion to draw?
Yes, that seems correct to me, you summed it up nicely. Bravo!
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The ability to project power is very important for every strong country.
Who cares about power, unity, and fake GDP numbers if the ordinary people are still suffering
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"Hanren" is just an umbrella term for Chinese. There are many regional variations within the so-called "Han Chinese" ethnicity. In fact, I don't really think "Han Chinese" is an ethnicity; we are really just different peoples assimilated (or rather, "dominated") by the central government and the Sinitic culture.
If I'm not mistaken, hnrn is term only for ethnic Chinese. For all Chinese (including non-ethnic Chinese) is zhōnggu rn.
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If I'm not mistaken, hnrn is term only for ethnic Chinese. For all Chinese (including non-ethnic Chinese) is zhōnggu rn.
But the problem is the so-called Han ethnicity itself is composed of many different peoples with different appearance and various regional cultures. I'm beginning to question that if the Han is really an authentic ethnicity after all.

I feel that Hanren is a similar term as European, African, or American. It's a general umbrella stand-for-all term.

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