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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:41 AM   #51
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Do the southern Chinese even want independence?
a normal chinese even don't know what is the "southern China". "south" only has a comparative meaning. beijing people call nanjing people as southern, nanjing people call hangzhou people as southern, hangzhou people call guangdong people as southern.....
so.....this is a pity thread.......
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:51 AM   #52

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a normal chinese even don't know what is the "southern China". "south" only has a comparative meaning. beijing people call nanjing people as southern, nanjing people call hangzhou people as southern, hangzhou people call guangdong people as southern.....
so.....this is a pity thread.......
ShenYang people think Beijing as South.It's true.
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What a lot of people seem to forget is that the ancient northern Han Chinese were also excellent horsemen, familiar with cavalry warfare and chariot warfare. And they were quite tall actually. The Terra-Cotta Warriors measured around 5 feet 8 to 6 feet. The jade suit of Han Dynasty's Duke of Zhongshan measured 188 cm.

The fact that Northern China was frequently invaded by northern tribes yet the phenotype of northern Chinese didn't really change a bit could only be explained by the hypothesis that the original Han Chinese themselves were related to those northern tribes. Sima Qian wrote in his Shiji that the Xiongnu was related to the mythical Xia Dynasty. He said that the last Xia prince fled to the northern lands after his dynasty was overthrown by the Shang.
Height doesn't say much. I'm Southern Han Chinese with ancestors from the coastal areas of Chaoshan and Quanzhou yet I am 6 feet 2 inches.

Stop trying to 挑拨离间 and trying to separate China into two.
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ShenYang people think Beijing as South.It's true.
People from Heilongjiang...
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 08:49 AM   #55
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The real question is: "Does a significant enough amount of southern Chinese want to separate?"
If so, then I'm for it.

The same thing goes for other regions of China (Uyghurs, Tibet, etc.), but let's not open that can of worms.
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The real question is: "Does a significant enough amount of southern Chinese want to separate?"
If so, then I'm for it.

The same thing goes for other regions of China (Uyghurs, Tibet, etc.), but let's not open that can of worms.
Uyghurs (維吾爾族) weren't even native to Xinjiang (新疆) in the first place. They were descendants of Karluk Turks from Central Asia and they now inhabit the regions surrounding the Tarim Basin in Southern Xinjiang.

There is a reason why Uyghur language is an Altaic language whereas the true indigenous people of the Tarim Basin who were the Tocharians spoke an Indo-European language instead.

Even today, Xinjiang is referred to as "East Turkestan", basically because the rest of the Karluk Turks today are in neighbouring Turkestan.

Northern Xinjiang on the other hand which is also commonly referred to as Dzungaria is inhabited by the Oirat Mongols instead and they have been there for generations over generations. Han Chinese also live in Dzungaria because Dzungaria was invaded by Chinese forces on and off for the past 2000 + years.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:39 PM   #57
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Today's CCP government is heavily biased towards the northerners. They forcefully spread Mandarin to the southern regions which don't speak Mandarin. The CCTV (Central Communist TV)'s New Year Gala is basically a northern gala, full of northern shows.
How the hell do they have a pro-northern bias? If anything they have a pro-coastal bias. They encourage everyone to speak Mandarin because it is the national language. It's important that everyone in the country speaks the same language.

Do not forget that Mandarin was chosen as the official language by the " "Southern Chinese" during the KMT era. It was chosen because it was already the most widely spoken language in China.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:50 PM   #58
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Do not forget that Mandarin was chosen as the official language by the " "Southern Chinese" during the KMT era. It was chosen because it was already the most widely spoken language in China.
This is a sad case.

When the people choose a Northern language, the Southerners are not happy.

If the people choose a Southern language, the Northerners are not happy.

In my opinion, it's better to create a new universal Chinese language incorporating the unique features of several Chinese languages.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 03:53 PM   #59
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The same thing goes for other regions of China (Uyghurs, Tibet, etc.), but let's not open that can of worms.

That's exactly what the Europeans/Americans want ie. a weak China, so that they can continue to bully the Chinese. You're falling into their trap.

China is the homeland of the Sino-Tibetan people so I don't think it should be divided.
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Old October 3rd, 2014, 04:49 PM   #60
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The real question is: "Does a significant enough amount of southern Chinese want to separate?"
If so, then I'm for it.

The same thing goes for other regions of China (Uyghurs, Tibet, etc.), but let's not open that can of worms.
Insofar as there are a small minority of southern Chinese who want to separate from China, they are regionalist separatists, not 'southern' separatists. That is to say, Guangdong separatists, Fujian separatists, Shanghai separatists, etc. Identities at these levels, though also problematic, are an actual phenomenon in China, whereas 'southern Chinese' as an identity simply does not exist except in the minds of a tiny group of netizens obsessed with 'north vs. south' anthropology and genetics.
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