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Old November 30th, 2014, 07:26 AM   #1451
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Now I understand why you are so much into nonsense and frivolity, both words are not same and equal -

1. The king who is mentioned in Rigveda - चित्र , in fact his full name is - चित्ररथ.
2. The constellation where you are getting lost is - चित्रा

Rest all that you copied from here and there is wrong and falsity.
Please write in English so that we can understand as to what have you written. Thank you.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 10:17 AM   #1452
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In his book, "The Ganga: Water Use in the Indian Subcontinent" Dr. Pranab Kumar Parua states on page 80, that:

The problem of the Bhagirathi-Hooghly arose out of this diversion of the main flow of Ganga in the 16th century towards the Padma. Previously, the Ganga threw its major flow through Bhagirathi-Hooghly and Bhairab-Jalangi, together called Nadia rivers, which built the Bengal between them. Not only water level went low in these two branch rivers - Yamuna and Saraswati - also shrank and ultimately died.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 10:28 AM   #1453
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Analyzing the aeolian sedimentation of the Thar Desert, A.K. Singhvi and A. Kar disclose that “the Harappan settlements in the desert appear to be more a case of human adaptation to declining rainfall than that of improved hydrological or precipitation events”. They also show that the desert had emerged over hundred thousand years (>150 Ka) ago putting to rest the argument that the Thar Desert arose subsequent to the desiccation of the river Sarasvati (Singhvi, 2004: 371-401). This study again negates flow of any perennial rivers in the past through the Thar Desert which has been remaining a desert since millennia with intermittent wet periods.

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Old November 30th, 2014, 01:54 PM   #1454
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Now I understand why you are so much into nonsense and frivolity, both words are not same and equal -

1. The king who is mentioned in Rigveda - चित्र , in fact his full name is - चित्ररथ.
2. The constellation where you are getting lost is - चित्रा

Rest all that you copied from here and there and pasted on Vedas are all false and wrong, how you thought to do all such absurd things without knowledge, without having ability to understand, You made a show of illiteracy. It's shameful.
When I mentioned Milky Way, it did not relate to Chitra in any way. I related Saraswati to Milky Way as I indicated in the references as well. Can you understand simple English. I doubt it. When I quoted Vedas, these were with references of the people who are scholars in their own right and are much more educated than you probably can ever be. What do I have to be shameful of - not knowing Hinglish that you speak?
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Old November 30th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #1455
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When I mentioned Milky Way, it did not relate to Chitra in any way. I related Saraswati to Milky Way as I indicated in the references as well. Can you understand simple English. I doubt it. When I quoted Vedas, these were with references of the people who are scholars in their own right and are much more educated than you probably can ever be. What do I have to be shameful of - not knowing Hinglish that you speak?
Just shutup, not able to read a word, you defeated bumpkin, working under frustration of loosing the arguments .. going all the way from Milkyway to Allahabad !
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Old December 1st, 2014, 01:16 AM   #1457
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@listol, I have posted numerous excerpts from different people who argued about different theories regarding where river Saraswati was located, which also included those who believe that Saraswati is a celestial river and a Milky Way between the earth and Netherland. I personally believe that Saraswati was an eastern river located within the Ganges river valley. This is also substantiated by mention of Ganga, Jamuna, Saraswati as a separate group of rivers at various places in Rig Veda, in addition to other many other facts that I quoted with references.

And this is what I was arguing about. Please don't get annoyed as I learn from your counter arguments as I also learn from the counter arguments presented by others as well. It has been scientifically proven that Ghaggar-Hakra was not Saraswati and that the IVC sites located beside Ghaggar-Hakra were not dependent on the river for their sustenance, which was indicated to be a small river or stream during those days. Therefore, Indus Valley Civilisation was not Saraswati Civilisation.

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Old December 1st, 2014, 05:31 AM   #1458
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River Saraswati" states, "that the Old Ghaggar does not conform to the attributes of the naditama Sarasvati."

He further presents his major arguments in the following excerpts from his above cited paper:

A confluence with Satluj and Yamuna would have made the Hakra section of the river affluent. We would not expect any major change in the Ghaggar from it's origin in the Sivaliks to this confluence point. It would still remain a rainwater stream in hills whose height seldom exceeds 1300 m. The Rigvedic description of Sarasvati as a mighty and swift river dissecting ridges of the hills, does not fit the description of the present-day Ghaggar. It would not have been applicable with the past as well.

The biggest argument against the identification of the Old Ghaggar with the naditama Sarasvati comes from the position of the Satluj. If the Old Ghaggar is to be regarded as a mighty river, it must have been able to receive the waters of the Satluj. The Satluj is mentioned in the Rigveda and there is no suggestion whatsoever that it was in any way connected with the Sarasvati. As a matter of fact, the Rigveda (Rv 3.33) explicitly associates the Satluj with the Beas and refers to their confluence.
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The rivers in the Sivaliks, which we may call the "Ghaggarettes," are all identical. There is no reason to single out any one of them as being the naditama.

It is strange that a river system containing such majestic rivers as the Satluj and the Yamuna should be known by the name of a puny rainwater stream such as the Ghaggar. In Vedic literature, Yamuna is clearly subservient to Sarasvati. This is contrary to the arrangement in the Old Ghaggar system, where the Yamuna is dominant along with the Satluj.

The secondary Vedic tradition associates not only the Yamuna but also the Ganga with Sarasvati. By no stretch of imagination can the present-day Ganga be associated with the Ghaggar, let alone in a subsidiary capacity.

While Sarasvati is equated with the Ghaggar, the Chautang is equated with the Drishadvati on grounds of plausibility. As already noted, a rishi in Latyayana Srauta-sutra (10.19.8,9) could travel to the source of the Drishadvati and reach the Yamuna with ease. This is not possible in the Ghaggar set-up, because the source of the Yamuna is not within walking distance of the Chautang. The Yamuna originates in the middle Himalayas, from the Yamunotri glacier on the Bandar-punch ('monkey's tail) peak in Garhwal; a short distance from the source of the Bhagirathi which unites with Alakananda to give rise to the Ganga (Mathur 1991).

It is commonly assumed that even when the Yamuna and the Satluj flowed into the Ghaggar, rivers like the Chautang would have remained intact. This assumption does not appear to be valid. At present the Sarsuti and the Chautang both flow in channels deserted by the Old Yamuna. This means that when the Yamuna itself was flowing in these channels, these rivers probably did not exist.

In the region of the Rigvedic Sarasvati, there are other companion rivers which independently flow to the sea. This condition is not fulfilled in the Ghaggar region. Rivers to its east join the Ganga, those to the west the Indus.

The ancient Kuruksetra appears to have been a vast area which comprises not only the Sarasvati, Drishadvati and Apaya but many lakes and hills and probably other rivers also. The hilly part of the Ghaggar system is very small and devoid of lakes.

Later texts say that Vinasana where the Sarasvati disappears into the sands was the western boundary of Aryavarta. In contrast, the Rigveda states that the Sarasvati reaches the sea. It would thus seem that while the Rigvedic people were familiar with the whole course of Sarasvati up to the sea, their successors confined themselves only to the Vinasana. This is curious because one normally expects territory to expand with time rather than to shrink.

It is known that the Sarasvati hymns in the Rigveda are older than the Indus hymns. If this Sarasvati were identical with Ghaggar, then archaeological sites on Ghaggar should be older that those in Sind. The opposite is observed: western settlements are invariably older than eastern ones.

On the Identity and Chronology of the Rigvedic River Sarasvati
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The nomenclature of the present Yamuna is revealing. The word 'Yamuna' means a twin. When the Vedic people reached the Ganga they gave it the first name which was known from the Brahmana literature but which hardly had any connotation in the old mandalas. Yamuna was then a natural name for its tributary. This implies naming Ganga first even though Yamuna was crossed earlier. The real Sarasvati by this time was long forgotten. As a mark of respect to the Vedic references it was now made into an invisible river that joined the Ganga and the Yamuna. In its transition from the naditama to the Vinasana to a mythical river, the Sarasvati traces the stepwise history of the Indo-Aryan migrations from Afghanistan to the Ganga plain.

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Old December 1st, 2014, 06:12 AM   #1460
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