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Old December 7th, 2014, 01:29 PM   #1531
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there is no evidence in Geology or Geography that ever since the passage of the Pleistocene epoch there has been another river on the scale of the Indus running from the Himalayas through Haryana and the desert to the Rann of Cutch; or that the Yamuna and Sutlej have ever during Holocene flowed into the Thanesar stream, now identified as Sarasvati. We have seen too that the Rigveda when it calls Sarasvati mighty or great, by no means refers to this stream, or, indeed, necessarily to any earthly river. All claims built upon the greatness of River Sarasvati are, accordingly, nothing but castles in the air, however, much froth may be blown over them. All this, alas, needs now to be specifically said.

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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #1532
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The investigations on the bed of Ghaggar river has yielded interesting results. Extensive drilling done near Kalibangan by a team led by Mr. Sanjeev Gupta (Imperial College London) showed that the the river sediment deposits ceased in this tract after approximately 14000 BCE. Mr. Gupta suggests that there was no big river here in Indus times. Japanese team too did research in Paleocene channel of Ghaggar system, headed by Hideaky Maemoku, have proved that the sand dunes surrounding Hakra are older than 10000 years.

This make it very difficult or almost impossible to relate Ghaggar with the Vedic Saraswati, as geographical proofs rather go contrary to the Vedic myths. Hence it becomes necessary to relocate the existence of Vedic Saraswati elsewhere. We, unfortunately cannot be in the agreement with the scholars those want to establish progenitors of the Indus culture were Vedic’s. As it is rightly stated by Dr. Francesco Brighenti, "It seems that a new scientific consensus is emerging which neutralizes the pseudo-scientific argument about the "Mighty Saraswati", used by Hindutva folks & their sympathizers to identify the Vedic Age with the period of the Indus Valley civilization.”

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Old December 8th, 2014, 02:09 AM   #1533
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The general consensus among the scholars is Ghaggar was a seasonal river, fed by the monsoon, with water enough to irrigate farms, but not a mighty or Himalayan glacier fed river as described in Rig Veda. Satlej, Yamuna used to feed water to Ghaggar system, but in Pleistocene period, pre-10,000 BC, not later than that. Satlej and Yamuna had changed their course in very remote past. If this is the case it raises serious problems over Vedic period and its geography itself. In any case Harappan settlements in Ghaggar-Hakra basin are dated from 3300 to 1800 BC. Over 1000 Harappan settlements are found across the banks of the Ghaggar river. As explained in another article I have shown that Indus culture do not reflect any way the presence of Vedic elements in either settlement. If Ghaggar is somehow identified with Saraswati, Vedic period has to be far stretched back, which at any rate cannot be the case, for simply there are no satisfactory explanations available on either Vedic or geographical grounds.

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Old December 8th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #1534
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Our research on environmental changes centered around three issues. The first concerns the long-standing debate about the Ghaggar-Hakra River. It was identified as the ‘mighty’ Sarasvati River in the Rig-Veda text, and therefore considered critical to Indus agricultural systems. Our team, however, established that in the Indus period the Ghaggar was much as it is today, a rather small river highly affected by monsoon.

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Old December 8th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #1535
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Saraswati river has been identified with various present day or historical rivers, particularly, the Ghaggar-Hakra river in Pakistan and Republic of India. There is a Sarsuti (Saraswati), a small river in Haryana, that flows into Ghaggar. There is a Saraswati river in Gujarat which emanates from Aravalli Hills. There is a Haraxvati river in Afghanistan. Sometimes Saraswati also means the heavenly way or the Milky Way and the river is personified as a Goddess.

There is so much confusion with regard to Saraswati, which is a river, a Goddess, a Milky Way and even a sister of a God, who later married her and remained married to her for 100 years and had children as well.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 12:10 PM   #1536
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The scientific studies clearly state that Ghaggar-Hakra could not have been Saraswati as stated in the Rig Veda. They state that there was no largest or greatest or biggest river flowing in the area when Harappan settlements existed there. The Ghaggar-Hakra river was a small seasonal river that flowed during those times. It was not Saraswati because it did not have a glaciated high mountain origin like Indus, Ganga or even Jamuna. It was not Saraswati because the river did not travel to the sea and had its mouth around Darawar and confirmed by satellite imagery that it never linked with Nara river. And in any case, it was not Saraswati of the IVC era (proved), which also proves that the IVC was never a Saraswati Civilisation.

The only civilisation that existed in the area was Indus Valley Civilisation, the core of which exists in Pakistan with a bit of spill over in Iran, Afganistan and Republic of India and therefore, it is a Pakistani Civilisation.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 02:26 AM   #1537
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R.C.Thakran of Delhi University observes that the satellite pictures seem to represent impressions of water pools rather than paleochannels. The supposed paleochannels begin in the north, move towards Rajasthan and get lost beyond that; had it been the image of an extinct river buried under the earth, it would have reached up to the sea as Sarasvati is reported to have run from the mountains to the sea, without any breaks. On the contrary if we consider that it is really the paleochannel of the river Sarasvati it is inconceivable to think that how such a great river, naditama, could not cut through the marsh and reach the sea. It is most unlikely that while the other mighty river, Sindh could have a confluence with the sea but the Sarasvati which is also a great river according to the poets of the Rig Veda could not do so.

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IVC remains prove Vedic past of Pakistan..

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The scientific studies clearly state that Ghaggar-Hakra could not have been Saraswati as stated in the Rig Veda. They state that there was no largest or greatest or biggest river flowing in the area when Harappan settlements existed there. The Ghaggar-Hakra river was a small seasonal river that flowed during those times. It was not Saraswati because it did not have a glaciated high mountain origin like Indus, Ganga or even Jamuna. It was not Saraswati because the river did not travel to the sea and had its mouth around Darawar and confirmed by satellite imagery that it never linked with Nara river. And in any case, it was not Saraswati of the IVC era (proved), which also proves that the IVC was never a Saraswati Civilisation.

The only civilisation that existed in the area was Indus Valley Civilisation, the core of which exists in Pakistan with a bit of spill over in Iran, Afganistan and Republic of India and therefore, it is a Pakistani Civilisation.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 04:08 AM   #1539
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IVC remains prove Vedic past of Pakistan..
There is no evidence that the IVC was Vedic. However, yes the history of Pakistan does have a Vedic past. Rig Veda was written and composed in ancient Pakistan, and it was the earliest known text propagating monotheism in these parts.
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Upon close examination we discover that the religion of the Vedas was not the religion of the Hindus, nor were the Vedic people Hindus, nor will the Hindus of today approve the replacement of the term ‘Hinduism’ with ‘Vedic Religion’. None can say exactly when the Aryans became Hindus because neither the name Hindu nor its major beliefs and practices existed in the Vedic times. To this one must add the marginal place the Vedic gods occupy in today’s Hindu pantheon. In addition, as we have seen, the Vedas themselves are not attractive to most of today’s Hindus as sacred texts. The Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagavadgita, Puranas and Manusmriti, may have more to do with the Hinduism of today than the Vedas.

Thus, it is clear that there is no direct ancestry of modern Hinduism traceable in the Vedas, though it does have some influence on it. R.Thapar says: “The Vedic corpus reflects the archetypal religion of those who called themselves aryas, and which, although it contributed to facets of latter day Hinduism, was nevertheless distinct”.

(The author is a senior lecturer in Philosophy of religion, Phenomenology of religion and Indian culture)

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The most surprising aspect is that when the Vedas have only marginal value in today's Hindu religion, why is it that mythical Vedic Saraswati which has been mentioned as a river, a Goddess, a sister of a God and later even his wife, or even a Milky Way is taken so seriously in the recent past. If it has been for claiming the Indus Valley Civilisation, it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt that mythical Saraswati was not Ghaggar-Hakra river, an old dried river bed and that between Jamuna river and Sutlej rivers, there was never as strong a river as was pronounced in the Rig Vedic mythology.

The manipulation of ancient history by hardline Hindu extremists in Republic of India turns a hilarious turn when even their Prime Minister States that Hindus practiced genetic sciences and plastic surgery in the ancient times. After all, Homer can not be quoted all the time to justify all of mythology.
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