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Old December 2nd, 2014, 01:30 AM   #1
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Swastikas are found across globe and adored in almost all ancient cultures however the definition of Swasti and Swastika with mandate to use in travels and rituals are only found in Vedic Aryans, The widespread finding of Swastika indicates Aryan expansion in every corner of the world, A discussion is solicited here on the intriguing issue pertaining to Swastika such that origin, archaeological records, history and tradition.

I believe, exploring Swastika shall give is new food for thought, new light on Ancient Civilizations and the interface in between them.

Let's have constructive discussion !
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Swastikas are found across globe and adored in almost all ancient cultures however the definition of Swasti and Swastika with mandate to use in travels and rituals are only found in Vedic Aryans, The widespread finding of Swastika indicates Aryan expansion in every corner of the world, A discussion is solicited here on the intriguing issue pertaining to Swastika such that origin, archaeological records, history and tradition.

I believe, exploring Swastika shall give is new food for thought, new light on Ancient Civilizations and the interface in between them.

Let's have constructive discussion !
Swastikas are found in Africa and Americas as well,but that doesn't mean Aryans went there!!
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Swastikas are found in Africa and Americas as well,but that doesn't mean Aryans went there!!
Dear Vraja, can you explain what you mean by "that doesn't mean Aryans went there!"
What are the Aryans you are talking about ? Where are they coming from and what religion they believe in?
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Dear Vraja, can you explain what you mean by "that doesn't mean Aryans went there!"
What are the Aryans you are talking about ? Where are they coming from and what religion they believe in?
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I mean't that the Indo-Europeans would have not travelled into Americas and Africa

By Aryans I meant the Indo-Europeans.Their origins are obscure,and they practised diverse religious beliefs varying with the specific branches.
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By Aryans I meant the Indo-Europeans.Their origins are obscure,and they practised diverse religious beliefs varying with the specific branches.
From what source you are getting your knowledge about the Indo-Europeans ?
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From what source you are getting your knowledge about the Indo-Europeans ?
Books and articles by scholars,also personal observations
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I was unaware that the swastika was common outside of Eurasia. Perhaps it is an archetypal symbol?
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I was unaware that the swastika was common outside of Eurasia. Perhaps it is an archetypal symbol?
Almost certainly. I believe the popular consensus is that it was largely a fertility or good luck symbol. One interesting interpretation I read was that it originated as a bird. Its oddly found all over the world, perhaps indicative of its origins as a prehistoric cultural marker.
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Almost certainly. I believe the popular consensus is that it was largely a fertility or good luck symbol. One interesting interpretation I read was that it originated as a bird. Its oddly found all over the world, perhaps indicative of its origins as a prehistoric cultural marker.
Dear Tornada, we know the meaning of the swastika and the role it plays in India. You wrote "Its oddly found all over
the world, perhaps indicative of its origins as a prehistoric cultural marker."
Objectively, "perhaps" is not acceptable as a reference. Do you have some explanations about its existence in other
countries and related to their own culture.
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Dear Tornada, we know the meaning of the swastika and the role it plays in India. You wrote "Its oddly found all over
the world, perhaps indicative of its origins as a prehistoric cultural marker."
Objectively, "perhaps" is not acceptable as a reference. Do you have some explanations about its existence in other
countries and related to their own culture.
No, see we work with evidence. The appearance of the Swastika predates the beginning of Vedic culture, and appears in region unaffected by Vedic Culture. Ergo, it cannot be of Vedic origins.

Now, what was its purpose? We have no definitive evidence as to its purpose or meaning when it originated. It has been found in different contexts across the world. As such, given the absence of concrete evidence, we are left with speculations. A hypothesis not supported by positive evidence however cannot be posited as an affirmative conclusion and hence we use terms to ensure that people understand this.

History is a subject where we do not know everything, and realistically cannot know everything. When we speculate as to things we don't know for certain, we appropriately preface them with the necessary caveats - perhaps for example indicating that this is what individuals feel.

Given the wide usage its use as a fertility or luck symbol is highly likely, although this is not confirmed by positive evidence, so it is still speculative, even if likely.
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