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Old May 3rd, 2015, 01:40 PM   #11

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Another Indian 'chieftain'.
This doesn't help anything, nor does it further the discussion.
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That Greeks used Gandhari as language of inscriptions and on coins shows that their number was quite limited as writing in those days was an elitist thing and Indian elites formed larger numbers than Greek conquerors.

I do not know why people even discuss such things, populations never descend from armies that left not even 100 loanwords. Greek armies overran Punjab but were eliminated by new nomadic enemies from North-Sakas and Kushans. These sakas finally were defeated and absorbed by Indians. Kushans are modern day Tajiks (partly).
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But Bart Dale is also correct- the Greek identity was almost entirely consumed in the Indosphere and also damaged by the hepthalite invasions.
That is true,though they tried hard to preserve their identity by living in separate colonies which was even witnessed by early muslim travelers.
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The only group who can trace their lineage from the Hunas with any historical accuracy(to my knowledge) are the Abdali clans of the Pashtuns as Abdali is cognate with 'Abdal/Yepthal', which is what one of the dominant tribes of the hun confederecy were known as.
Huna section was much wider than a small group like abdali though abdalis seems a part of sweta huna.There wee Red Hunas and other sections. Problem with Huna identification arise because we only concentrate on name similarity and ignore other valuable evidences. Pasthun is a geographic identity like Punjabi or Sindhi ,just scratch this surface identity and you will find jadoon,Gillzai dudizai,pani etc all clans that can clearly be related to their parental identities.
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That Greeks used Gandhari as language of inscriptions and on coins shows that their number was quite limited as writing in those days was an elitist thing and Indian elites formed larger numbers than Greek conquerors.

I do not know why people even discuss such things, populations never descend from armies that left not even 100 loanwords. Greek armies overran Punjab but were eliminated by new nomadic enemies from North-Sakas and Kushans. These sakas finally were defeated and absorbed by Indians. Kushans are modern day Tajiks (partly).
As mentioned earlier Greeks have been living in Bactria much earlier and find clear mention in ancient texts over the years they got mixed with locals and adopted local language and traditions then came later Greeks with Alexander who too lost their identity over a time period.

There are two sections in present day section one Khatri who treat themselves as Martial and superior to other section arora who are reported as defeated people.This probably relate to two sections one(Arora) who were prisoners of war in Greeko Persian conflicts and other(khatris) who came along with Alexander army.

Regarding Saka,Hunas Kushans they are overlapping identities and Kushans were Sakas themselves.
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As mentioned earlier Greeks have been living in Bactria much earlier and find clear mention in ancient texts over the years they got mixed with locals and adopted local language and traditions then came later Greeks with Alexander who too lost their identity over a time period.

There are two sections in present day section one Khatri who treat themselves as Martial and superior to other section arora who are reported as defeated people.This probably relate to two sections one(Arora) who were prisoners of war in Greeko Persian conflicts and other(khatris) who came along with Alexander army.

Regarding Saka,Hunas Kushans they are overlapping identities and Kushans were Sakas themselves.
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...................Since Greek prisoners captured in the many wars that took place between the Achaemenids and Greeks during the 5th and 4th centuries BC were often exiled to Bactria, the indigenous population of Bactria already included a high percentage of Greeks when Alexander's army arrived there in 329-328 BC..................

Afghanistan: Graeco-Bactrian Kingdom
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...................Since Greek prisoners captured in the many wars that took place between the Achaemenids and Greeks during the 5th and 4th centuries BC were often exiled to Bactria, the indigenous population of Bactria already included a high percentage of Greeks when Alexander's army arrived there in 329-328 BC..................

Afghanistan: Graeco-Bactrian Kingdom
I know that much. Yes, Greeks set up kingdoms after Seleucids but point is what is basis for your claim that Aroras are prisoners of war and Khatris Alex army? I can say that Tandons are Tocharians and Dhawans are dacians, does it mean anything?
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The Greeks and their descendants would have slowly merged with the larger native Indian populati.

As the Greeks intermarried with the Indians, their children probably took on a more native identity. As the Greek community became less Greek. I imagine some Greeks might have ttraveled back to the Greek world to retain their Greek identity.
Demetrius founded the Indo-Greek kingdoms just after the fall of the Mauryan Empire in 185BC. I want to know how they manage to resurge to power to form various kingdom across Indus plains in North-West.

Moreover, this is the Kandahar Edict erected by Mauryan Emperor Ashoka in Greek and Aramaic.(Aramaic was the court language of Achaemenids)

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