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Old February 1st, 2016, 06:37 PM   #41
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That is a pure denial of a valuable non partial historical reference.How can you put such observation.

Regarding Jats you need to read a lot earlier Indian History earliest resistance to invading arabian armies was put by Jats only.Before Kasim their second or third attempt to capture Hindustan was destroyed by Jats. Jats of gajani defeated same campaign earlier. Arabians found them so numerous that Indians were mostly treated Jats as per segrid Westphal german couple.ibn Hukkal notice them controlling all tracts from Sindh to Makran ,Sultan Ghajanvi fights with them Babbar call India a country of Jats and Gujjars Temur fought with them in Samarkand and Tohana ...Do you think they all fall in fifth century from sky and filled all Indo Pak areas to be noticed so by Arabian historians ...
Temur, Babur, Arabs, Ghaznavids, Gazni, none of them was in India before 5th century CE. So here's my question: What is the evidence that Jats were known as a community, before 5th century CE?
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Old February 1st, 2016, 06:39 PM   #42
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There is no evidence of banishments...some of them and their ladies were attented and taken care by Surjmal ,one leader was given shelter as reported in a Sanghi village temple, some were looted and killed.
Yes, there is a legend that Surajmal sent the wives of the martyrs back to Maharashtra, but that is related to the times of Battle of Panipat. There was no Surajmal in 1857. AFAIK, most of Haryana then was ruled by Rao Tula Ram, some areas being under Ahirs and Jats.
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Temur, Babur, Arabs, Ghaznavids, Gazni, none of them was in India before 5th century CE. So here's my question: What is the evidence that Jats were known as a community, before 5th century CE?
Read my entire post it started with Khalifate attempts soon after prophet death and when read lines about arabian authors observation about Indians mostly as Jats via segrid westphal then Ibn Hukkal ...here Iam not taking pre prophet period whereBibi Aiyesha was treated by Indian Jat Doctor....I was wondering whether they fell in fifth century and filled all northwestern areas to be reported by every foreigners with in a century.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 06:57 PM   #44
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He is reported Jat by Al Brunie ....my post was in responce to earlier post that mentioned Jats moved to Haryana just 1000 years earlier ,when Jats were in Muthara 3000 years earlier as per Al Brunie How can we say they moved later...Just a simple logic.
Al-bruni never mentioned anything like that. Maybe you read that in jatland, 3000 years

Jats are first mentioned in Sindh by famous Chinese traveler in 6th century.

"Hiuen Tsang gave the following account of a numerous pastoral-nomadic population in seventh-century Sin-ti (Sind): 'By the side of the river..[of Sind], along the flat marshy lowlands for some thousand li, there are several hundreds of thousands [a very great many] families ..[which] give themselves exclusively to tending cattle and from this derive their livelihood. They have no masters, and whether men or women, have neither rich nor poor.' They claiming to be bhuddists but were of unfeeling temper and hasty disposition."

But where did all these sindhi jats go? In 1901 Sindh census only 27.000 people returned as jats.

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Old February 1st, 2016, 06:58 PM   #45
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Yes, there is a legend that Surajmal sent the wives of the martyrs back to Maharashtra, but that is related to the times of Battle of Panipat. There was no Surajmal in 1857. AFAIK, most of Haryana then was ruled by Rao Tula Ram, some areas being under Ahirs and Jats.
No Tula ram just controlled a part of Rewari tehsil a majority of area was controlled by Sikh Jats Muslim Jats and muslim Rangars and subedar of loharu jajhhar karnal etc.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 07:03 PM   #46
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Read my entire post it started with Khalifate attempts soon after prophet death and when read lines about arabian authors observation about Indians mostly as Jats via segrid westphal then Ibn Hukkal ...here Iam not taking pre prophet period whereBibi Aiyesha was treated by Indian Jat Doctor....I was wondering whether they fell in fifth century and filled all northwestern areas to be reported by every foreigners with in a century.
There is no such a thing as jat doctor, as you said earlier for arabs every random person of south asian origin became jat.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 07:06 PM   #47
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Al-bruni never mentioned anything like that. Maybe you read that in jatland, 3000 years

Jats are first mentioned in Sindh by famous Chinese traveler in 6th century.

"Hiuen Tsang gave the following account of a numerous pastoral-nomadic population in seventh-century Sin-ti (Sind): 'By the side of the river..[of Sind], along the flat marshy lowlands for some thousand li, there are several hundreds of thousands [a very great many] families ..[which] give themselves exclusively to tending cattle and from this derive their livelihood. They have no masters, and whether men or women, have neither rich nor poor.' They claiming to be bhuddists but were of unfeeling tempe and hasty disposition."

But where did all these sindhi jats go? In 1901 Sindh census only 27.000 people returned as jats.
Al Brunie did mention Krishna and Vasudeva as Jats read again and then write.

Hiuen Tsang never used word Jat pls correct yourself but Samanis are reported Jats by arabian scholars .Aiyesha bibi was treated by Indian Jat doctor not check it ? let me check but either the leader of second or third muslim khlifate invasion was destroyed by Indian Jats can get it from muslim chronicles.Sailendejit a fifth century AD is reported Jat via an incription by Tod.There is mention of Jats in the armies of Xerexes and in firdousi Sahnama when Rustam goes to free his father.

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There is no such a thing as jat doctor, as you said earlier for arabs every random person of south asian origin became jat.
Show me that it is not Jat doctor and Why Jat and med for all Indian not a Rajput Gujjar avan dhobi nai brahman etc??

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Al-bruni never mentioned anything like that. Maybe you read that in jatland, 3000 years

Jats are first mentioned in Sindh by famous Chinese traveler in 6th century.

"Hiuen Tsang gave the following account of a numerous pastoral-nomadic population in seventh-century Sin-ti (Sind): 'By the side of the river..[of Sind], along the flat marshy lowlands for some thousand li, there are several hundreds of thousands [a very great many] families ..[which] give themselves exclusively to tending cattle and from this derive their livelihood. They have no masters, and whether men or women, have neither rich nor poor.' They claiming to be bhuddists but were of unfeeling temper and hasty disposition."

But where did all these sindhi jats go? In 1901 Sindh census only 27.000 people returned as jats.
I agree with you that Jats migrated from Sindh.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 07:12 PM   #50
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Hiuen Tsang never used word Jat pls correct yourself but Samanis are reported Jats by arabian scholars .Aiyesha bibi was treated by Indian Jat doctor not check it ? let me check but either the leader of second or third muslim khlifate invasion was destroyed by Indian Jats can get it from muslim chronicles.Sailendejit a fifth century AD is reported Jat via an incription by Tod.There is mention of Jats in the armies of Xerexes and in firdousi Sahnama when Rustam goes to free his father.
He never did but Chachnama some decades after described similar population in same region and called them jat/zutt.
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