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Old January 8th, 2018, 03:07 AM   #161
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Proper Name: Pratesti
Known as Thailand by most countries of the world and Tai Guo by the Chinese. The two don't sound anything like it's proper name.
Like how Pratesti is called Tai Guo, Hanguk is called Han Guo in Chinese. Guo is the equavalient of the Korean word Guk.

Edit:Sorry sorry I replied too late.

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Old January 8th, 2018, 03:17 AM   #162

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India
Proper Name: Indiya
Known as Bharat and Hindustan by some Indians. Rather than neighbouring countries having different names, the Indians themselves seem to have various names for their own country.
Proper name is Bharat, India is English name.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:12 AM   #163

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Thanks. Some one clarified it on page 17. Others must have done earlier also. Lots of pages. Sure, Hindustan is the other common name. Sometimes shortened to Hind, as in the salutation, 'Jai Hind' (Victory to India or Hail India).

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The Chinese also used to call Japan "Wo" (dwarf), because they considered the Japanese to be dwarfs. I think "Japan" comes from another Chinese name, Jih-pen Kuo (Ribenguo), which Marco Polo turned into "Cipangu."

One odd name for China was "Tabgach", which was a very outdated reference to the ruling tribe of the Toba-Wei dynasty. This name was used in the Muslim/Turkic west up until the Mongol empire.
japan in hakka dialect are nyitpun
korea in hakka dialect are chosun
vietnam in hakka dialect are vietnam

additional, province like :
inner mongolia in hakka are nui mongol
xinjiang in hakka are sinkiang
guandong in hakka are kwantung
yunnan in hakka are junnam
beijing in hakka are peking (pei king)
gando in hakka are kanto
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Old January 8th, 2018, 08:11 AM   #165
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China
Proper Name: Zhong Guo
Known as Trung Quoc by Vietnamese. Not only it sounds exactly like the proper name, it also means "Middle Kingdom" in Vietnamese.


Japan
Proper Name: Nihon
Known as Phu Tang (the name of the a tree in Japan) or Nhat Ban (dont know why) by Vietnamese.


Cambodia
Proper Name: Kampuchea
Known as Campuchia by Vietnamese which sounds exactly like the proper name.

Korea
Proper Name: Hanguk
Known as Han Quoc by Vietnamese which sounds like the proper name.

India
Proper Name: Indiya
Known as An Do by Vietnamese. Not sure why.

Thailand
Proper Name: Pratesti
Known as Siem in medieval era which sounds exactly like Siam. Now known as Thai Lan.
india in hakka = jintu (spell : jinthu)
indonesia in hakka = jinni
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Thanks, Hakka Nyin for the info. I do not think we knew Korea and Japan. For us all that was Chin. Silk was 'Chinamshuk' (the cloth from China'.

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Thailand
Proper Name: Pratesti
Known as Thailand by most countries of the world and Tai Guo by the Chinese. The two don't sound anything like it's proper name.
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It's pronounced "Pratet Thai", which literally means "Land/Country of the Thais", or in English, "Thailand".
I believe the name Pratesti original derived from Pradesh/Pradesha T'ai, i.e. Province/Territory of the T'ai. Pradesh then became Thaified to Prates, very probably pronounced Pratet, and T'ai became contracted to Ti.

In modern times, T'ai which was the original ethnic name for the T'ai family of tribes, was changed to Thai to accommodate the other non-T'ai ethnicities who became citizens of the land.
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Nice post, DM.
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BTW, there is still a province about 30 miles (50 km) to the north of Bangkok, with the name Nakhon Prathom. It wud sound like a native Thai name to the unsuspecting & unfamiliar, but it is actually a Thai rendition of the originally Sanskrit (or cud be Pali or Prakrit) name Nagar Pratham (Nagara Prathama), i.e. First City.

Similarly with the modern Thai city Nakhon Si Thammarat in the Isthmus. It is actually the Thai way of saying Nagar Sri Dhammaraj (Nagara Sri Dharmaraja), which was the name of an ancient city kingdom centred at Ligor aka Tambralinga, where the current modern city is approximately located.

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The same thing happen in Gandhara and Afghanistan. The fort in Kabul is Bala Hissar, the Arabic translation of the old name Urdhwasthana (the high place, historians of Alexander called it Ortospana), Taxila is TakshaShila (severed mountain) or TakshaShira (severed head), Begram is Vi-grama (The City, 'city par excellence'). Laghman mat arise from Lampaka giving Lamghan and then transposition of consonants (Ptolemy's Lambatae to Lambagae). Jalalabad was Ajuna (Masson's 'Travels', Wikipedia gives the old name a Adinapur), derived from Buddhist Prakrit Ujjan (Sanskrit Udyan, Garden) or Udyanapura (The Garden City).
* Information collected from Sir Alexander Cunnningham's "Ancient Geography of India)

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