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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:18 PM   #51
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Deviating slightly, I seem to recall that Vietnam's name was once Nam Viet (or Nanyue in Chinese) but a Chinese Emperor changed it to the present day Vietnam as a show of imperial hegemony over the occasionally rebellious vassal. (can anyone verify this?)
Yes indeed. The whole of Southern China was once inhabited by the Hundred Yue people (百越) prior to the influx of ethnic Han Chinese people (漢族) from the north. Nam Viet / Nanyue (南越) can be read as either being one of the southern branches of the Yue people, or as being a group of people to the south of the Yue. In this case, the term Viet Nam (越南) on the other hand refers to the geographical position of the country, which lies to the south of the Yue; it also clarifies that the people indigenous to Vietnam were a somewhat unrelated group of people that lived to the south of the Yue, hence making it less ambiguous.

This is given by the fact that the Vietnamese language is Austro-Asiatic, much like Khmer - as opposed to the Tai-Kadai / Hmong-Mien languages spoken by most, if not all of the Yue tribes in Southern China.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 09:27 PM   #52
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The Samhan states were not so detached from their Jin predecessor. First of all, we have Jinhan which gets its name from its precursor state Jin. Then we have Byeonhan also being named Byeonjin, after the precursor state Jin. Lastly, we Mahan claiming to be the ruler of Jin. Each of the states are tied to Jin in origin.

What I think happened is, the rulers of Goryeo deliberately changed the names to obfuscate the true origin of the legends/histories, while keeping enough of the story the same to satisfy the oral histories of the portion of the population that actually came from the Jin state of China, perhaps even binding separate legends into one narrative... or rather, this has a strong possibility.

But certain interactions between Gojoseon and Jin in the Korean narrative may be literal, such as Wiman betraying King Jun of Gojoseon and King Jun fleeing to Jin. Since there is already a leaning towards putting Gojoseon somewhere in northern Hebei. It'd be very difficult for King Jun to flee to the southern Korean peninsula if Gojoseon is in northern Hebei. Rather we should think about moving both, Gojoseon to northern Hebei and Jin-Samhan to Shanxi.
i feel helpless .........

but, hey, you know, since they onced used chinese characters but not english words, what is the point you keep using the similarity of english translations as your evidence?
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 11:19 PM   #53

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India
Proper Name: Indiya
Known as Bharat and Hindustan by some Indians. Rather than neighbouring countries having different names, the Indians themselves seem to have various names for their own country.
Proper name of India is Bharat and its a very common name, just not about some people The etymology of the name Bharat can be traced to mythological Emperor of India who ruled whole of India. Bharata (emperor)

Hindustan came from Persian language and was used largely by Mughal Emperors.
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Old January 24th, 2016, 01:41 PM   #54
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All this shows is that you have no command of Chinese,the rest is psuedohistory.
I never believed myself to have total command over ancient Chinese languages, and neither should you. Because you won't be able cite a source that claims the reconstructed early Chinese language was ever the sole dialect at any point in time.

The Korean version of Samhan/Samjin may have simply went through distortion over the centuries, or had a biased perspective to begin with. Especially if it was coming from the perspective of the descendants of the Han state, who may have tried to assert that the other two states belonged to Han or that Han was the sole successor of Jin.

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Old January 24th, 2016, 02:21 PM   #55
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The Korean version of Samhan/Samjin may have simply went through distortion over the centuries, or had a biased perspective to begin with. Especially if it was coming from the perspective of the descendants of the Han state, who may have tried to assert that the other two states belonged to Han or that Han was the sole successor of Jin.
Your claims go against written sources,archaeology as well as linguistics.

Your words are empty unless you substantiate them.

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Old January 24th, 2016, 03:13 PM   #56
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local name of India is bharat only modernized people of mainly tier 2 cities use India (<5%) most of Indians use Bharat
What are the tier 2 cities.
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Old January 25th, 2016, 05:24 PM   #57

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Your claims go against written sources,archaeology as well as linguistics.

Your words are empty unless you substantiate them.

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Why wold this man Yungsung ignore tone of mandarin? He not look Han Chinese.
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Why wold this man Yungsung ignore tone of mandarin? He not look Han Chinese.
Precisely, because he isn't.
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Why wold this man Yungsung ignore tone of mandarin? He not look Han Chinese.
Why is Mandarin relevant here? Different Chinese dialects have different number of tones. It's difficult to guess the tones of ancient Chinese.
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Why is Mandarin relevant here? Different Chinese dialects have different number of tones. It's difficult to guess the tones of ancient Chinese.
You using word game of understanding history. History is not game.
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