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Old January 26th, 2016, 12:01 AM   #61
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Precisely, because he isn't.
The Burmese refer to the Han Chinese as "Tarote" (Turuks). Based on this line of reasoning, is it fair to say the question is asking me if I am a Turk or Mongol essentially? Or tell me, how I should interpret the question.

As for the city of Hanzhong which Han dynasty Han Chinese is named after, it's sort of on the peripheries. The Han state, which Korea is possibly named after in Hanguk, is located at the innermost core of the realm.

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The point is not what tone in what dialect. The point is you are ignoring the tone and the actual character used, instead relying only on the Romanization of the two words, and thus you think they are the same. They are not.

Also, Han Dynasty was named after Hanzhong beause the Han Dynast founder was from there. It's geographic location is not relevant.
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Also, Han Dynasty was named after Hanzhong beause the Han Dynast founder was from there. It's geographic location is not relevant.
Han Dynasty founder Liu Bang was from somewhere around Xuzhou in modernday Jiangsu province, quite far from Hanzhong.

His dynasty was named Han because he was named as the King of Hanzhong by Xiang Yu.

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Precisely, because he isn't.
I think it's better to say that he has no grasp or no understanding of Chinese rather than he is not Han Chinese. Being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean you're good at Mandarin Chinese, and not being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot be good at Mandarin Chinese. People need to get over with the so-called "Han Chinese", an artificial ethnicity created at the end of the 19th century during the formation of ROC.

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Han Dynasty founder Liu Bang was from somewhere around Xuzhou in modernday Jiangsu province, quite far from Hanzhong.

His dynasty was named Han because he was named as the King of Hanzhong by Xiang Yu.



I think it's better to say that he has no grasp or no understanding of Chinese rather than he is not Han Chinese. Being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean you're good at Mandarin Chinese, and not being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot be good at Mandarin Chinese. People need to get over with the so-called "Han Chinese", an artificial ethnicity created at the end of the 19th century during the formation of ROC.
according to the agreement between liu bang and xiang yu, liu bang had been the king of hanzhong. he was referred as han king during the post qin wars. it is one major reason his dynasty was called han.

all ethnic groups are artificial....especially those who were called baiyue and baipu by hans, people lived under han dynasty simply categorize those guys as some artificial groups based on the region where they lived, without even making a proper counting about the numbers, and without a serious language study or custom study.
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according to the agreement between liu bang and xiang yu, liu bang had been the king of hanzhong. he was referred as han king during the post qin wars. it is one major reason his dynasty was called han.

all ethnic groups are artificial....especially those who were called baiyue and baipu by hans, people lived under han dynasty simply categorize those guys as some artificial groups based on the region where they lived, without even making a proper counting about the numbers, and without a serious language study or custom study.
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What is the etymology of Zhongguo.
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What is the etymology of Zhongguo.
Zhong Guo is the Chinese character assembly of 中國 where 中 means middle/central and 國 means country/kingdom. The reasoning behind naming themselves as the 'central kingdom' is due to the fact that they believed that they were the centre of civilisation.

If you're wondering why Zhong Guo sounds so different from China here is the explanation. The name 'China' actually comes from the Sanskrit word for porcelain 'cina', probably because the Chinese were known for crafting good pottery back then.
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Han Dynasty founder Liu Bang was from somewhere around Xuzhou in modernday Jiangsu province, quite far from Hanzhong.

His dynasty was named Han because he was named as the King of Hanzhong by Xiang Yu.



I think it's better to say that he has no grasp or no understanding of Chinese rather than he is not Han Chinese. Being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean you're good at Mandarin Chinese, and not being Han Chinese doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot be good at Mandarin Chinese.
By "from" I meant the area that he lived in. As you know most if not all dynasties before the Yuan were named after the founder's surname or the kingdom/place he ruled prior.

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People need to get over with the so-called "Han Chinese", an artificial ethnicity created at the end of the 19th century during the formation of ROC.
I thought you always tell us, even when it's not relevant to any discussion, that the Han were originally northerners. Why is it now artificial?
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If you're wondering why Zhong Guo sounds so different from China here is the explanation. The name 'China' actually comes from the Sanskrit word for porcelain 'cina', probably because the Chinese were known for crafting good pottery back then.
I never heard that explanation. I thought it was after the Qin dynasty. I guess we'd have to know how Qin is pronounced in middle Chinese.
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Zhong Guo is the Chinese character assembly of 中國 where 中 means middle/central and 國 means country/kingdom. The reasoning behind naming themselves as the 'central kingdom' is due to the fact that they believed that they were the centre of civilisation.

If you're wondering why Zhong Guo sounds so different from China here is the explanation. The name 'China' actually comes from the Sanskrit word for porcelain 'cina', probably because the Chinese were known for crafting good pottery back then.
i think pottery is named china after the country China.
cina does not mean pottery according to articles i read. it means qin, or silk, or far
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