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View Poll Results: Should I Teach History at High School or College?
College 27 56.25%
High School 7 14.58%
Either is good, really 8 16.67%
Heck if I know. 6 12.50%
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Old June 26th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #21

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Actually in my city, most of the high school teachers were able to get in with a standard 4 year program. They just got majors in "Education in (insert area here)".
I doubt that is true for humanities subjects. You can get a job as a maths or science teacher with a regular degree but BAs are worthless. Even if you could score a teaching job today with a BA you won't by the time you graduate. There are just too many history teachers. Why would any school pick someone with a BA when thay had a dozen applicants with a Masters or better?

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Old June 26th, 2015, 01:58 AM   #22

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I doubt that is true for humanities subjects. You can get a job as a maths or science teacher with a regular degree but BAs are worthless. Even if you could score a teaching job today with a BA you won't by the time you graduate. There are just too many history teachers. Why would any school pick someone with a BA when thay had a dozen applicants with a Masters or better?
A Master's degree is not required by most states in order to teach High School history in the U.S. The problem lies in there is such an overwhelming pool to choose from and so few positions available that getting a job as a High School history or English teachers is nigh near impossible; especially fresh out of college.

In today's world, regardless of the stated requirements, what school administrators are going to demand from candidates is increasing and the chances of anyone jumping from college into a history teaching position are next to impossible.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 08:43 AM   #23

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I doubt that is true for humanities subjects. You can get a job as a maths or science teacher with a regular degree but BAs are worthless. Even if you could score a teaching job today with a BA you won't by the time you graduate. There are just too many history teachers. Why would any school pick someone with a BA when thay had a dozen applicants with a Masters or better?
My school system must be unique then.
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Old June 26th, 2015, 02:01 PM   #24

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My school system must be unique then.
If you really want to be a teacher then you need to look at the trends, talk to school administrators, and come up with a realistic plan. Your current attitude is likely to lead to severe disappointment five years from now. There are a lot of failed teachers in the USA today who wished they hadn't wasted four years of their life completing what they consider to be a worthless degree.

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I doubt that is true for humanities subjects. You can get a job as a maths or science teacher with a regular degree but BAs are worthless. Even if you could score a teaching job today with a BA you won't by the time you graduate. There are just too many history teachers. Why would any school pick someone with a BA when thay had a dozen applicants with a Masters or better?
I'm not sure if you have taught here in the United States, but here it is mandatory to have a BA in education with endorsements in the area in which you want to teach. The likeliness of one finding a teaching job with a regular degree is very slim to none. In fact, you are more likely to get a teaching job with a BA than you will with a MA in the area you want to teach. Many districts here in the United States are cutting their budgets. Therefore, a brand new teacher out of college is going to cost a district far less than someone specialized with a MA.
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If you really want to be a teacher then you need to look at the trends, talk to school administrators, and come up with a realistic plan. Your current attitude is likely to lead to severe disappointment five years from now. There are a lot of failed teachers in the USA today who wished they hadn't wasted four years of their life completing what they consider to be a worthless degree.

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Sadly this is becoming more true. If you go into education be prepared to be overworked, looked down upon, and expected to produce miracles on a daily basis. I am to the point that I'm into teaching solely for the interaction with the kids because they make my job fun. It helps that I teach what I'm specialized in (I'm one of the lucky few with a MA+ in my subject area) and we share the love of history together.

If you go into teaching Tiger, you need to go into teaching because you want to be with kids...not because you want to solely teach history. If you take the attitude of only teaching history...you will fail. Today's kids need role models not professors. If you can live with the fact that you will be more of a parent than a teacher...then you have found the right profession.
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From my experience in the classroom in my teacher ed program so far: your post makes a lot of sense, Comet!
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If you go into teaching Tiger, you need to go into teaching because you want to be with kids...not because you want to solely teach history. If you take the attitude of only teaching history...you will fail. Today's kids need role models not professors. If you can live with the fact that you will be more of a parent than a teacher...then you have found the right profession.
I know how much my teachers were role models for me and good friends so I don't see myself having any problems with trying the same. I want to inspire just as much as teach.
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I know how much my teachers were role models for me and good friends so I don't see myself having any problems with trying the same. I want to inspire just as much as teach.
Then I think you will make a great role model for a lot of kids
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From my experience in the classroom in my teacher ed program so far: your post makes a lot of sense, Comet!
Let me know if you need anything. If you havent hit your student teaching yet and you are looking into social studies you could look into doing your student teaching with me. Of course, it has to make sense for you personally. I have taken a student teacher from UNI before and it was fun.
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