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Old March 27th, 2016, 09:54 AM   #11
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We don't discuss genetics here, nor I believe that the study of genetics is relevant to historic research.

It is very relevant in modern history, especially in the population history of ancient and medieval era.
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The problem of the rejected ural-altaic theory, that there are no more proofs for the relation between uralic and altaic languages, than between uralic and indo-european languages.


Pannonia name came from an ancient roman province (Pannonia), however . only the western part of the territory of modern Hungary (the so-called Transdanubia) formed part of the ancient Roman Province of Pannonia; this comprises less than 29% of modern Hungary, therefore Hungarian geographers avoid the terms "Pannonian Basin" and "Pannonian Plain".

There were no dacians in Pannonia (western Hungary)


"Iranian (Iazyges), Turkic (Huns, Avars, Cumans)"

Huns disappeared centuries before the Hungarians arrival, Avars also disappeared before the arrival of Hungarians, Cumans were exterminated by Ottomans and Hungarian forces during the "great Turkish Wars" in the 1680s.
If I'm not mistaken, certain Germanic tribes (Quadi, Langobardi) may have also resided in the area which is now Hungary.

The Pannonians were not Dacians but were likely ethno-linguistically related to Illyrians. Some linguists believe Illyrian and Dacian languages to be in the same grouping. Therefore, Daco-Illyrian.
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If I'm not mistaken, certain Germanic tribes (Quadi, Langobardi) may have also resided in the area which is now Hungary.
Gepids as well over what is today E Hungary.

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The Pannonians were not Dacians but were likely ethno-linguistically related to Illyrians. Some linguists believe Illyrian and Dacian languages to be in the same grouping. Therefore, Daco-Illyrian.
Besides that, Pannonia used to be, to a considerable amount, inhabited by romanians who have part of their vocabulary from the dacians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_Dacian_words

If I remember well, there's a word or a couple there also found in hungarian (the list in the wiki is incomplete but can still be relevant).

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their political ,military and social structure were almost completely a rip-off of the Khazars, as mentioned before they were a confederation with Magyar majority, though heavily turkic influenced.
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their political ,military and social structure were almost completely a rip-off of the Khazars, as mentioned before they were a confederation with Magyar majority, though heavily turkic influenced.

Interestingly, unlike neighbouring countries, Hungarians have no eastern genetic markers. Hungarian language is not a turkic, but finno-ugric language.
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If I'm not mistaken, certain Germanic tribes (Quadi, Langobardi) may have also resided in the area which is now Hungary.

The Pannonians were not Dacians but were likely ethno-linguistically related to Illyrians. Some linguists believe Illyrian and Dacian languages to be in the same grouping. Therefore, Daco-Illyrian.

The illyrian connection is hardly to provable today.
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Gepids as well over what is today E Hungary.



Besides that, Pannonia used to be, to a considerable amount, inhabited by romanians who have part of their vocabulary from the dacians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_Dacian_words

If I remember well, there's a word or a couple there also found in hungarian (the list in the wiki is incomplete but can still be relevant).

. Every European language have a serious ratio of unknown origin words.
These are non proved words, just a speculative theory. Since dacian vocabulary and language did not remain for the posterior.
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Interestingly, unlike neighbouring countries, Hungarians have no eastern genetic markers. Hungarian language is not a turkic, but finno-ugric language.
There is no doubt that Hungarian language is not of Turkic origin. Some posters have rather claimed that the early political organization of the Magyar tribes was of Turkic origin, due to the almost certain contact that the Magyar tribes had with neighboring Turkic peoples.
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There is no doubt that Hungarian language is not of Turkic origin. Some posters have rather claimed that the early political organization of the Magyar tribes was of Turkic origin, due to the almost certain contact that the Magyar tribes had with neighboring Turkic peoples.

Or they had tiny turkic ruling elite in the top positions of the tribes.

Nowadays, some historians are not sure that Árpád's conqueror people could not even speak the ancestor of modern Hungarian language.


Short essay about genetics of 9-10th century Hungarians
http://ahea.net/sitefiles/file/journ...reiszigerN.pdf

And about the language:

http://ahea.net/e-journal/volume-6-2...oad=240&ajax=1


These two short essays can explain much more about the historic problems.

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What is the etymology behind Magyar and Ogri?
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