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Old May 18th, 2016, 04:19 PM   #11

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So it was raining?
he means that nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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Old May 18th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #12

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he means that nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
I figured. I found it amusing, since it was talking about British weather.

Why did you pick "Do you understand the British?" as the title? Do you think most Brits agree with what is being said in that vid?
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I figured. I found it amusing, since it was talking about British weather.

Why did you pick "Do you understand the British?" as the title? Do you think most Brits agree with what is being said in that vid?
Probably most over 50 would agree--make that 55. There are sound reasons for British exceptionalism which successive governments have been trying to wipe out for the last thirty-five years or so through the educational system aided and abetted by the BBC. That exceptionalism is one of the reasons for the strong popularity of the "Leave" faction in the upcoming referendum.
That exceptionalism is not all about beating a drum and saying that we are better--it is about saying that we are different and can recognise our failings too.
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Do you agree with the part about peace in 1941?
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I'm not going to argue the part about exceptionalism or the parts about immigrants, since I'm not interested in a debate about that. I am curious about the part related to keeping the Empire.

In 1870, it was 3rd in GDP (behind the US and Russia) and 3rd in military expenditures (behind Russia and France). When WW1 started, Britain was 4th in military personnel, 4th in GDP and 3rd in military spending. It's also questionable if it was wise for Britain, at the time, to export so much capital instead of investing it in the home industry. Protecting the Empire was already more of a burden than an asset. You also have the rise of nationalism. I don't think having peace in 1941 would have saved the Empire.
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I'm not going to argue the part about exceptionalism or the parts about immigrants, since I'm not interested in a debate about that. I am curious about the part related to keeping the Empire.

In 1870, it was 3rd in GDP (behind the US and Russia) and 3rd in military expenditures (behind Russia and France). When WW1 started, Britain was 4th in military personnel, 4th in GDP and 3rd in military spending. It's also questionable if it was wise for Britain, at the time, to export so much capital instead of investing it in the home industry. Protecting the Empire was already more of a burden than an asset. You also have the rise of nationalism. I don't think having peace in 1941 would have saved the Empire.
Your numbers are a little flawed. They only account for National GDP. Add Empire GDP to the UK and they are first across the board and add Dominion GDPs and the lead is extensive.
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Your numbers are a little flawed. They only account for National GDP. Add Empire GDP to the UK and they are first across the board and add Dominion GDPs and the lead is extensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o....28Maddison.29
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Probably most over 50 would agree--make that 55. There are sound reasons for British exceptionalism which successive governments have been trying to wipe out for the last thirty-five years or so through the educational system aided and abetted by the BBC. That exceptionalism is one of the reasons for the strong popularity of the "Leave" faction in the upcoming referendum.
That exceptionalism is not all about beating a drum and saying that we are better--it is about saying that we are different and can recognise our failings too.
I would say many in their 40's as well.
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Yes I can just see them sat around the war cabinet now.

"If we make peace with that nice Me Hitler, who has sunk hundreds of ships and bombed our cities, and tell those nice Japanese fellows not to touch Hong Kong and Singapore, and give that nice Mr Hitler the middle east oil, then we can save the Empire!" "What shall we do chaps?"

Some people's grasp on reality really worries me. Or is it the obsession with 'nasty British Empire'?
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