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Old February 3rd, 2010, 08:06 PM   #1
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Why did the Nazis prosecute SS guards for abusing concentration camp inmates?


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I just stumbled onto this article about Georg Morgen in Wikipedia. His job was to investigate crimes committed against concentration camp inmates. He had several SS officers put to death for murdering prisoners. Now, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me, given the context of this situation. Why would this job even exist in Nazi Germany? Why would the Nazis even care if they found out a SS officer was murdering prisoners? I am asking this because it just seems like a total paradox to me, and I have never heard about what Georg Morgen did before.
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I just stumbled onto this article about Georg Morgen in Wikipedia. His job was to investigate crimes committed against concentration camp inmates. He had several SS officers put to death for murdering prisoners. Now, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me, given the context of this situation. Why would this job even exist in Nazi Germany? Why would the Nazis even care if they found out a SS officer was murdering prisoners? I am asking this because it just seems like a total paradox to me, and I have never heard about what Georg Morgen did before.


That's a very interesting question. Why would they give a damn?

Maybe this is just propaganda for the other nations, they're saying: "Look, we're not systematically and dilebratly killing everyone! This is just the fault of a small minority of German men and we're doing the best we can to stop them!"
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It isn't that strange acutally, it is rather perverse and a clearcut example of how people were molded by the Reich. Reading the article it seems he was merely a man who very punctually followed the rules, he didn't question the extermination of the jews and all other unwanted elements, rather he questioned whether the men doing it were doing it... right. Btw, Koch was trialed because he embezzling funds and hiding other things from the Reich.

It is an example of how twisted and bureaucratical the Endlosung for all their problems actually was.
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Re: Why did the Nazis prosecute SS guards for abusing concentration camp inmates?


Because it lends an air of 'legality' and 'correctness' to the proceedings.

It allows humans to exterminate their fellows in their thousands and go home at night with a clear conscience that their victims were 'protected' and not subject to abuse even as they were being herded to their death.

Just another example of the absolute perversion of Naziism.
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Part of the issue with 'understanding' this apparent contradiction is with the use of the term 'concentration camp'. Only a subset of the 'concentration camps' were true 'death camps', where the purpose was to exterminate everyone sent there (eventually). The other 'concentration camps' were used for imprisoning various peoples, such as political opponents, who were not necessarily targetted for extermination. By making that distinction I do not intend to 'whitewash' the concentration camps, or the brutal treatment of the people who ended up there. Basically they had committed no official 'crime' per se for the most part. They could be send there without a trial or any due process.

The other point has already been mentioned, a matter of maintaining discipline and following orders. The guards were not supposed to murder those being held on their own initiative. They were supposed to wait for 'official' orders to do so. So such instances of SS guards being 'prosecuted' for 'abuse' of concentration camp prisoners was not likely a matter of 'concern' for the 'wellbeing' of those being held.
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This remember me by the "Arbeit Macht Frei", on the entrance at Auchswitz. If they could made a sadistic joke, why not to do? The SS-ists were, in fact, prosecuted for hiding founds, and they found a good ideea to display that false acusation(for shure, every SS-ist killed jews). In this way, it would been amusing to see the satisfaction between prisoniers, and their "funny" hopes, in "justice"
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Because it lends an air of 'legality' and 'correctness' to the proceedings.

It allows humans to exterminate their fellows in their thousands and go home at night with a clear conscience that their victims were 'protected' and not subject to abuse even as they were being herded to their death.

Just another example of the absolute perversion of Naziism.
Not only Nazism. Stalin communist justice system was even worse.
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The other point has already been mentioned, a matter of maintaining discipline and following orders. The guards were not supposed to murder those being held on their own initiative. They were supposed to wait for 'official' orders to do so. So such instances of SS guards being 'prosecuted' for 'abuse' of concentration camp prisoners was not likely a matter of 'concern' for the 'wellbeing' of those being held.
I agree. It was about discipline and following orders.
I think another point being overlooked here, is the nazi viewpoint of race : nazis were strong believers in racial purity. In their worldview, racial heirarchy looked something like this:

1. Nordic Europeans
2. Mediterranean Europeans
3. Slavic Europeans
4. Indians
5. Arabs
6. East Asians
7. Black Africans
8. Jews
9. Gypsies
10. Mixed people.

People of mixed races were absolutely the bottom rung of the Nazi order of things- perhaps they were highly critical of sexual relations between the SS guards and the jewish prisoners due to the possibility of spawning mixed breeds, too ??
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Interesting.

The Nazis were first of all bureaucrats with a strict Teutonic obsession with order and rules. A lot of those rules served the purpose of providing grounds for getting rid of people they didn't like through selective application of myriad new laws. Some inmates went to concentrations camps were not political or hereditary or racially impure.

It is also important to remember the Final Solution was a wildly controversial topic, even at the time. Heydrich complained over and over about being unable to whip up proper race pride within Germans and the unwillingness of regular army troops to shoot unarmed civilians. Which was why special SS units were sent into occupied areas with the army.

It was very much a secret for a number of important reasons.

This guy is 100% wrong about denying the use of human skin on lampshades and wall hangings. I couldn't find it on the Internet, but I've seen real post-war footage of them. Maybe not systematically, but it was indeed done in some instances.
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I agree. It was about discipline and following orders.
I think another point being overlooked here, is the nazi viewpoint of race : nazis were strong believers in racial purity. In their worldview, racial heirarchy looked something like this:

1. Nordic Europeans
2. Mediterranean Europeans
3. Slavic Europeans
4. Indians
5. Arabs
6. East Asians
7. Black Africans
8. Jews
9. Gypsies
10. Mixed people.

People of mixed races were absolutely the bottom rung of the Nazi order of things- perhaps they were highly critical of sexual relations between the SS guards and the jewish prisoners due to the possibility of spawning mixed breeds, too ??
Slavs would be a lot lower on the hierarchy: somewhere between blacks and Jews. East Asians would be higher due to the alliance with Japan
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