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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:20 AM   #21
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What makes Kosovo a Serbian land? Maybe the fact that before Albanian terrorists illegally declared independence it was a part of Serbia, and since the declaration of its independence was illegal by both the international law and the constitution of Serbia it is still legally a part of Serbia?

You needed to open a thread in order to figure this out?
kosovo elected representatives declared indepndence with some support from international community to be exact.they declared independence prior to that in 91 but no ne care as serbain separatism was main issue in region.Howewer serbian separatsim and albanin one were dealt diffrently.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:20 AM   #22

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The last 100-120 years Kosovo has pretty much been Albanian inhabited.
You ask what makes Kosovo a Serbian land in the title of the thread. I previously said that you should look to the history of the last 100-120 years. Demography is important to history but it isnít the only source.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:23 AM   #23
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Demography is important to history but it isnít the only source.
Bingo.One can ask kurds which are more numerous than albanians,are discriminated against,killed and still have not one state.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:27 AM   #24

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kosovo elected representatives declared indepndence....
No, Albanian terrorists. You can call s**t a rose, it still won't smell nice. About the support of the part of the international community: they can have the support of the whole world, it won't make it legal.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:36 AM   #25
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No, Albanian terrorists. You can call s**t a rose, it still won't smell nice. About the support of the part of the international community: they can have the support of the whole world, it won't make it legal.
you can calim that some of them without doubt were terrorirst prior to that but thez no mistake are elcted represntatives of kosovo population choosen on elections.
illegal procalmation of indepndence dont make one terrorist.and its illegality can also be argued.International court of justice have opinion on that.
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lol,what.sizeable serbian population still lived in kosovo and its territory was gained in war serbia won.Serbia got kosvo on way most coubntries got its territories during time.
And i will stress again its claim on province is still uphold by most countries in world.
Comparing serbia nad otooman empire/roman is ludicrous.
When Serbia occupied Kosovo in 1912, with a lot of blood spilled, Serbs in Kosovo were a minority. Albanians were a majority and did not welcome Serbian rule. Was the occupation justified?


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he himslef didnt withness masscrtes and heard about them second hand.also they are enoguh stories about massacres and violence of albanian population against serbs prior to happening.serb population continulally shrink for reason till this day.
He was a soldier and he actually did. He saw it all by himself.

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There is continuty of Serbian state from 19th centurz.Albanian state started in 1912.Thre was never Kosovo state.
So you're saying that todays Serbia is the successor of the Serb medieval State that ceased to exist 500 years ago? That's like saying modern Greece is the successor of the Byzantium Empire. That doesn't even make any sense.


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they made most of churches themself or renovated completelz deestrzoed ones .this bizntine churches claim is puhed by albanian nationalist which i presume you are one.tell me how much of serbian churches are directly bizantine ones.
I'm not an Albanian nationalist and weather they made some churches or not is irrelevant we know Kosovo had a history before Serbs. They weren't even the first Slavs to hold it which were actually the Bulgarians.


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little ottoman/builarian cultural remaingns comapred to serbian as serbs inhabited region in major numbers not turks or bulgarians.
if you compare the Kosovo Albanian diaspora that fled from the war to the expelled Kosovo Serbs, the latter becomes an insignificant number.

Serb medieval state held Kosovo for only ca 200 years or something. Ottoman Empire Held it for 500 years.


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yes,they lived enoguh to be considered indegenous.
we have no evidence of any "Albanians" or "Squiptars" living in land of Kosovo before serbs.Serbs today are also descendatns of pre slavic populations which can be seen in theri genetics.
That's because the region was invaded by Slavs. I already explained that. And even todays Albania. Serbs didn't just stay in Kosovo. I already showed a map of this.


The arguement that some Muslims from the Middle East coming to Europe is the same as a region like Kosovo that didn't even exist but was originally inhabited by the Illyrians and was a part of a kingdom, a much bigger region stretching into todays Albania, is absolutely ridicoulous to compare a neighboring region who's borders were created by Slavic occupation. Who's to say no Albanian lived within those borders prior to their creation?

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That's because the region was invaded by Slavs. The only Serbs that have Balkan genetics are actually the ones usually related to Albanians. These Serbs are usually from Montenegro. And they are most likely Slavicized.
These comments can get you suspended, the site does not tolerate use of biochemical markers (either "Y haplogroup" or other maternal line markers) as evidence in a discussion.
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Old July 16th, 2016, 11:44 AM   #28
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You ask what makes Kosovo a Serbian land in the title of the thread. I previously said that you should look to the history of the last 100-120 years. Demography is important to history but it isn’t the only source.
I already quoted some of this history. It was occupied by Serbia in 1912 and a lot of blood spilled. This history isn't telling me that Kosovo is Serbian. What justified this invasion? It only led to the Kosovo war in 1998.

What gives Serbia a right to Kosovo? They migrated there themselves through the Serbian kingdom, which occupied it from Bulgarian and Byzantiums that also fought for it, and Serbs held it only for ca 200-250 years, until they lost it again. And Ottoamans held it since then for 500 years. By 1912 the population was Albanian until in 1912 when Serbia occupied it. And as I said above it only led to more wars and conflict. the invasion was based on nationalistic myths that started to emerge around the 19th century.

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These comments can get you suspended, the site does not tolerate use of biochemical markers (either "Y haplogroup" or other maternal line markers) as evidence in a discussion.
I apologise. Edited it out. Its irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

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illegal procalmation of indepndence dont make one terrorist.
No, but methods which lead to this particular declaration of independence do.


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and its illegality can also be argued.International court of justice have opinion on that.
The International Court of Politics, you mean?
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