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Old November 15th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #11

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He lead a massive empire, helped defeat the axis and spread his influence after the war. Pretty effective ruler.
No, he killed more Ukrainians and even Russians than Nazi Germany. He created a terror regime in many ways similar to modern day ISIS. Without Stalin Nazi Germany would be much earlier defeated and with much less human costs.

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Old November 15th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #12

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While Stalin could be considered as an effective though repressive tyrant, he cannot be called great by any stretch of language.
Let us, to be fair, count the positives i ) He dragged an illiterate and superstitious country comprising mostly of uncouth farmers or rather farmers-cum-serfs into a modern industrialized and literate country comprising of technicians, Engineers,scientists, planners and educators. ii ) Gave a big impetus to power projects and transportation projects, including plants dealing with fabrication of heavy tools and machinery, including some demonstration projects like the Moscow Metro iii ) Gave a thrust to modernisation of the Red Army, especially after the WW II, including the emphasis on nuclear weapons iv ) established a political hegemony over the central Europe, that made the west quite a bit chary of taking liberties with the communist rule in many of these states.
Unfortunately the negatives drag down the above picture such as i ) the killing of dozens if not hundreds of millions of innocent civilians and at least the majority of eight millions of the brave soldiers of the Red Army in WW II. The civilians were often killed as a part of the death quotas set either by Stalin or his underlings. And the deaths of soldiers were often because of Stalin's misconceptions about Hitler's intentions before 22nd June 1941, and stupid management of the border battles or instances like holding on stubbornly at Kiev and getting encircled and so on. ii ) severe repression of all opponents of the regime, unleashing a reign of terror and torture and imprisonment of innocents in some of the vilest prisons in the history of mankind. iii ) an anti-intellectual regime killing off all genuinely free arts trying to express the rage of the people.

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Even if you forget what a monster he was and define Great in terms of his historical footprint, he still comes out second best to Hitler.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 03:55 AM   #14

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He lead a massive empire, helped defeat the axis and spread his influence after the war. Pretty effective ruler.
Is there any other subject you specialise in? Was he a relative?
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Old November 15th, 2016, 06:12 AM   #15

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He lead a massive empire, helped defeat the axis and spread his influence after the war. Pretty effective ruler.
The Soviets won WWII DESPITE Stalin.
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The Soviets won WWII DESPITE Stalin.
Correct.

Stalin was a psychopathic human garbage. A monster.
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Stalin was a psychopathic human garbage. A monster.
It would be an interesting thought experiment-what if Khrushchev was in charge in WWII?
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It would be an interesting thought experiment-what if Khrushchev was in charge in WWII?
It is not so important who would be in a charge of WWII, it is more important what has he been doing before WWII. Stalin has killed most of high ranking officers in purges (check number of killed division and corps commanders and colonels) so Soviet Union was mostly unprepared when nazis attacked them. Enormous casualties came from that fact, poor brave soldiers were sacrificed to incompetence of criminal bolshevik garbage at the top.

Stalin was a traitor of Soviet Union, only thing he deserved after war start was to be shot dead without trial in a corner as a dog.

Stalin's Soviet union was a demonic state as today's Northern Korea. People, read Solzhenitsin and Shostakovich, it is better than any historic book.
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Good points there.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 12:56 PM   #20

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Stalin was an exceptionally brutal dictator, one of the worst in modern history. His rule turned a semi-feudal society into an industrial powerhouse and he faced against the most brutal foreign invader that the world as ever seen since the Mongols and was also very successful in expelling that invaders and chasing them back to their own den. But he achieved all that with an enormous sacrifice of its own people and he always had very few consideration for them.
IMO, he was a sociopath and a tyrant, but he was a highly successful one.

Note: I seriously doubt that Stalin was responsible for more killings than Hitler...
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