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Old November 15th, 2016, 01:38 PM   #21

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Depends on who you ask,




in 1944 Stalin was on level with FDR...Stalin was that guy who worked with FDR to defeat the greatest threat the world has ever seen. But now in 2016...I would say aside from a minority in allied countries and a large amount of Russians...that most folks have a negative view of Stalin
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Old November 15th, 2016, 04:55 PM   #22

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Guys, let's have a crazy anti-stalinist contest,vote for the most lunatic statement.I vote for this two:

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the killing of dozens if not hundreds of millions of innocent civilians
Kiliing hundreds of millions in the country with 1,8 hundred of million population - this statement is a champion!

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The Soviets won WWII DESPITE Stalin.
So the brutal dictator gave orders to his generals and ministers but they carried out orders in quite the opposite way - that's how a dude see it. Why did the brutal dictator abide such a disobedience and why did such disobedient generals and ministers abide their brutal and stupid boss? Don't wait the answer.




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Depends on who you ask. If you ask the 30 million white christians his communism forced in the gulags...well they wouldnt be able to answer cause he killed them.

Hitler was a superior leader to Stalin. The winners write history
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Old November 15th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #24

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Guys, let's have a crazy anti-stalinist contest,vote for the most lunatic statement.I vote for this two:

1.Kiliing hundreds of millions in the country with 1,8 hundred of million population - this statement is a champion!
Oh... just 1.8 million? So that's ok, he was not so bad.
When it comes to contest I would say: many Russian people have Stockholm syndrome and it requires treatment because trying to convince world that oppressor was not so bad (because he did not kill 10 million but just 1.8 million) will never succeed.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 11:34 PM   #25

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Guys, let's have a crazy anti-stalinist contest,vote for the most lunatic statement.I vote for this two:

1.Kiliing hundreds of millions in the country with 1,8 hundred of million population - this statement is a champion!

2.So the brutal dictator gave orders to his generals and ministers but they carried out orders in quite the opposite way - that's how a dude see it. Why did the brutal dictator abide such a disobedience and why did such disobedient generals and ministers abide their brutal and stupid boss? Don't wait the answer.




I vote for killing nearly all his senior army officers because of paranoia immediately before a world war.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #26

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Guys, let's have a crazy anti-stalinist contest,vote for the most lunatic statement.I vote for this two:

1.Kiliing hundreds of millions in the country with 1,8 hundred of million population - this statement is a champion!

2.So the brutal dictator gave orders to his generals and ministers but they carried out orders in quite the opposite way - that's how a dude see it. Why did the brutal dictator abide such a disobedience and why did such disobedient generals and ministers abide their brutal and stupid boss? Don't wait the answer.




Yes, I admit that I was wrong about the total number of deaths attributable to repression under Stalin. Certainly not ' hundreds of millions '. But it does not mean that Stalin was shy of blood-letting !
The book ' Unnatural deaths in Soviet Union 1928- 1954 ' by one I.G.Dyadkin, quotes a figure of 60 million unnatural deaths attributable to the regime of Stalin. It may be noted that even restrained figures of the killings under Stalin are something like 30 to 35 million ( For example, the estimate of Robert Conquest of about 30 million ). And I have not touched the Red Army casualties in WW II, a vast portion of 8 million, which must be attributable to the bungling or obstinacy of Stalin.
The population of the Soviet Union decreased --yes actually decreased -- in one of the Census years, I cannot recall immediately--- and Stalin had the Census scientists shot to death for giving wrong figures !
Yes, it was the census of 1937, which it appears was rejected as invalid. Experts consider that the new figures given in the revised census were manipulated ones and comprised of a bogus addition of some 1.5 millions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)

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Old November 16th, 2016, 01:18 AM   #27
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Oh... just 1.8 million? So that's ok, he was not so bad.
When it comes to contest I would say: many Russian people have Stockholm syndrome and it requires treatment because trying to convince world that oppressor was not so bad (because he did not kill 10 million but just 1.8 million) will never succeed.
I do believe that General merely stated that the population of the Soviet union was 1,8 hundred of million or 180 million people (I suppose the year he had in mind is 1940).
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I do believe that General merely stated that the population of the Soviet union was 1,8 hundred of million or 180 million people (I suppose the year he had in mind is 1940).
The revised Census of the Soviet Union of 1937 ( ? ) gave figures of 170 millions for the total population of the Soviet Union, experts say that it was inflated by about 1.5 million.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 01:43 AM   #29

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"Russian victory against fascism" is the biggest tall tale since both the Nazis and Communists were socialists with slight differences. Soviets invaded Poland together and entered the war side by side with the Nazis, organized military parades together. Soviet newspapers of the time were full of admiration for Hitler that said "to oppose Nazism and Hitler means opposing Lenin". But Stalin, who shared Europe with Hitler and fueled the Nazi war machine for years, suddenly became "the victor" next to the U.S. and Britain. If Hitler did not invade the U.S.S.R, probably they would have won the war too.
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I believe the Soviet Union contributed the greatest part to the fall of the Axis powers in Europe in spite of Stalin, not because of him. I don't think people realize how powerful a nation the Soviet Union was when the Germans invaded.
The poor leadership of Stalin regarding the lead up to the Nazi invasion, and for many months after is some of the poorest leadership by any leader – ever.
The people of the Soviet Union were just some rugged dudes who didn't like to give up. Their weapons innovations are way too underrated for the era as well. Of course, there is the massive size of the country – and the climate. I give Stalin very little of the credit.

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