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Old December 13th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #251
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as well as the fall of Constantinopole in 1453 but on the military field I would say the hussite wars marked end of medieval times

Yes, these dates are often used.
Bat as I said, it is impossible to set a single date. It will be different for Italy, England or France.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 08:53 AM   #252
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In 2005, the Czech TV organized a TV poll "the greatest Czech" - Charles IV was chosen as the greatest ruler, followed by Masaryk and Havel. If we skip presidents and stick to the kings, then the next greatest rulers were George of Poděbrady and Přemysl Otakar II. At the same time, an internet vote The Greatest Villain was held: the communist president Klement Gottwald "won" the poll. I don´t think that any particular king is considered the greatest villain, but the Habsburg dynasty is not particularly popular, although the attitude is not as negative as it used to be in the past.
Thanks, appart from Charles i would add Vratislav II to the greatest ones. What is overshadowing Ottokar II's reign is that his great territorial expansions were already lost in his lifetime, so ultimetly he failed.
imo the two last Jagello rulers, Vladislaus II and Louis II were probably the worst based on their reign in Hungary but in Bohemia they could have a better legacy, i don't know.

Is Habsburg Rudolf II liked there?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 09:41 AM   #253

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Yes, beorna. I know. Only German names counts.
yes, of course, that why I spoke about the ducatus and regnum Boemorum. Good old german language! And that's of course why even the coins for Ludwig and Vladislaus show the same. They are all evil, german nationalists.
It is good to have you here, the only unbiased member of the whole site.
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yes, of course, that why I spoke about the ducatus and regnum Boemorum. Good old german language! And that's of course why even the coins for Ludwig and Vladislaus show the same. They are all evil, german nationalists.
It is good to have you here, the only unbiased member of the whole site.
Dear Beorna, it looks you starting to lose your nerves. U permanently comlaining you are offended but read yourself, you are still very negative to everyone who has different opinion than yours is and if not offensive then u are at least sarcastic like now to Edward so pls try to accept it from others without complaints too.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #255

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Dear Beorna, it looks you starting to lose your nerves. U permanently comlaining you are offended but read yourself, you are still very negative to everyone who has different opinion than yours is and if not offensive then u are at least sarcastic like now to Edward so pls try to accept it from others without complaints too.
wer, posting 38:"That's just German superiority complex. Some Germans simply think that the terminology in the languages all around the world turns around the terminology in German and that it is not possible for English to addopt some name directly from Czech."

excalibur, posting 48: "Every nation has a right to call own country by an own name, i see nothing racistic on that. It is YOU Beorna who repeately trying to prove the only German point of view is the right. "

edward, posting 51:"We can manage without nationalistic debates"

choranzanus, posting 54:"Reading posts from Beorna only reinforces my opinion that nacionalism is a serious brain disease. "

edward, posting 56:"It look that for some people the only right way is a German way."

edward, posting 94:"Probably will be better if you will join some “professional” organization of “Fortune Teller”, chiromancy, lithomancy, crystallomancy, cartomancy or other psychic “science”"

edward, posting 100:"I concur. Every Beorna post is loaded with German nationalism"

excalibur, posting 139:"so please stop to troll"

excalibur, posting 141:"Then troll again"

excalibur, posting 146:"Dont wonder some people overreact when they find you try to picture German ww2 and pre ww2 crimes in a different light than the reality was. "

edward, posting 240:"Yes, beorna. I know. Only German names counts"

edward, posting 244:"But same nationalist refuse to give that rights to Czech people"

Anti-german statements, personal insults, malice and lies. And this are just your and edwards attacks in this thread.
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Beorna, i see only one thing. 4 people dare to disagree with you and yes, some people can take a disagreement as an offence .
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Not to but in here, but shouldn't the debate about the name be easily settled by referring to whatever they called themselves during this time period?
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Not to but in here, but shouldn't the debate about the name be easily settled by referring to whatever they called themselves during this time period?
well, but as you see is this disputed here.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #259

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BTW, Czechicus. You mentioned that an oldslavic text from the 10th century had Cechy. Are you able to quote this text, please?
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It is 12th ct. source but I happened to have it on hand. Primary Chronicle:

"Over a long period the Slavs lived beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Thus some came and settled by the river Morava, and were named Moravians, while others were called Czechs. Among these same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians."

"Po mnozijeh že vremenijeh sijelije sutj sloveni po Dunaevi, kde estj ninije Ugorjskaja zemlja i Bolgarjskaja. Ot tijeh sloven razidošasja po zemjli i prozvašasja imeni svoimi, kde sijedše na kotorom mijestije. Jako prišedše sijedoša na rijecije imenem Moravije, i prozvašasja morava, a druzii česije narekošasja. A se ti že slovijene: horvati bijelii, serpj i horutane"

It should be also in "Life of Methodius" from 9th ct., may be also in "Word about Letters", also probably 9th ct.
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