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Old December 17th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #301
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I don't deny them anything. i have said this now a lot of times and I tried to explain why. If you hadn#t understand it till now, i am not hopeful it will change anyway.

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That is nonsense. I wrote it just above and czechicus agrees with it, I suppose you don't see him as german nationalist, too. Bohemus and Czechus are exchangeable. So calling them Bohemian is not diminishing the Czech ownership of this country.
What do you mean with "they didn't pay it back in the same currency?". Again the propaganda of a fifth column? May I remember you to the thread about the heros of WWII. There are AFAIR three people with a german or partly german background mentioned as Polish heros. I have told you in another part, how ethnic germans were arrested in 1939, even a priest, imprisoned and mistreated, sometimes murdered. Even ethnic Germans who had family members in the Polish army. So the question "who didn't give something back" is perhaps not as easy as your simple view of the world

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We know us since nearly three years and all this time you are insulting me, calling me a liar, giving me names, try to ridicule me, push me in a nazi corner. I really see no reason, why you should be polite to me just because you celebrate Christmas. If you don't want to be polite the rest of the year, you can keep your wishes for yourself.
You will never change.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #302
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The term lechitic is scientific, but probably our super-experts here with "E" will now probably blame me for this statement as they did it for the Bohemian statement. They evolved a similar language during the 7th and 10th century. But like the Germanics they were never a people.
BTW, the Germanic Rugii are not reported for the island of Rügen. The name may have the same origin, may have derived from it or the Rugians got it from that island or may have others reasons. The oldest name for the island is Roe, Roja and Reuna. With the discovery of tacitus' works the name Rugia (=Rügen) was introduced.
Anather insult and personal attack. You will never change.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 03:37 PM   #303
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You try to annoy me until I make a mistake, so that you can report me, isn't it? I can't explain it different.
I am tired to repeat my point of you, especially you don't want to understand me and distort my saying anyway.
So any critique of your post is an attempt to annoy you? Oh, My God,
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Old December 17th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #304
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NO Beorna, i never reported anyone and i never even argued with anyone here in this forum. It is u who permanently ignore arguments of others, not only those mine. It is u who permanently complaining about offences, not only from my attempts to explain obvious facts. It is u who sending me messages i was not punished enough and i will pay for my mistakes.
Simply look at yourself, several people try peacefuly explain you u are mistaken and u blaming them of offences, u harrasing by reporting to mods etc....i can handle any debate without mods assistance, i trust nothing is wrong with us but u proving there is something wrong with your ability to debate.

We dont have troubles withother Germans as u blame us we are nationalists. I will enjoy any debate with Germans even about painful periods of our mutual history, of course if it will be debate even with no matter they have different opinions. But debate with you seems to be imppossible. I will be glad if u stop to complain about our opinions and if u find other targets of your complexes.

Thats all.
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Either this thread moves beyond personal insults, recriminations and accusations of who said what, or I'll need to lock it. That would be a shame given that it has been really quite interesting. Next ad hominem gets a red card and the thread locked. As the rules suggest, 'please consider whether each post will offer value to users.'
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Old December 17th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #306
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So the lechitic tribes are a artificial group of tribes that spoke similar languages. But that means not, that they were close related or shared a common ethnic identity.
They spoke the same language, not similar. Excalibur says that even Czechs and Poles spoke same language.
All the western Slavs are related but relation between Lechites was even closer than between other western Slavs.
Do you know any tribes in history which spoke same language but were not related?
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They spoke the same language, not similar. Excalibur says that even Czechs and Poles spoke same language.
All the western Slavs are related but relation between Lechites was even closer than between other western Slavs.
Do you know any tribes in history which spoke same language but were not related?
Which written sources do you have for your statement, that they spoke the same language? The oldest old church slavonic sources are after 860. The oldest slovenian sources e.g. from around 1000. The oldest glosses in polish are from the 12th century and from 1270 the first sentence. But only from the 14th century it became more frequent. We know old czech from glosses from the 12th and 13th century. Sorbic is know from the 16th century and the most we know about west slavic or lechitic languages is from personal or place names.
We can compare it quite good with germanic languages. We know Gothic and place and personal names show, that there were other germanic languages similar to Goths, so that they are placed into East germanic languages. But are these gentes related? Among the vandals of the Przeworsk-culture we can find getes from Jylland, Celts, perhaps Balts, other archaeological findings show similarities with the formr Pommerian culture. The origo of the Langobardians claims a descendence from Scandinavia. So we should expect a noth or at least east germanic language. But their language was closer related to the Elbe-Germanics.
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Which written sources do you have for your statement, that they spoke the same language? The oldest old church slavonic sources are after 860.
According to linguists, Slavic languages did not split until 10th ct. Any differences were on the level of various dialects.
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According to linguists, Slavic languages did not split until 10th ct. Any differences were on the level of various dialects.
yes, the theories speak of different dialects or very similar languages. that is a question of definition. the important question is, who the linguistc groups evolved. Slavic on the Balkans was much supported by the growth of the Bulgarian empire. So the Samo reign and the Moravian empire could have a similar impact on the slavic languages in those areas.
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yes, the theories speak of different dialects or very similar languages. that is a question of definition. the important question is, who the linguistc groups evolved. Slavic on the Balkans was much supported by the growth of the Bulgarian empire. So the Samo reign and the Moravian empire could have a similar impact on the slavic languages in those areas.
However Sorbian is understable for both Czechs and Poles (and I guess Slovaks as well), even 1000 years later.
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