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Old January 11th, 2017, 06:34 AM   #1
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20 November 1917: Clemenceau takes power

In mid-November 1917, the President of the Republic Raymond Poincaré reluctantly appointed one of his great rivals at the head of the government. At 76, Georges Clemenceau enters the legend that will make him "the tiger."

Radical became a proponent of the republican order, Clemenceau opposed the pacifism that emerged after three and a half years of war. Four days after his appointment, he gives his speech of investiture to the Chamber of Deputies and obtains confidence. But the sacred union is broken.

The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, told Paris a few days earlier: the time is serious. The wear and tear of war has an effect on the cohesion of the allies, and French society - and Britain - is bearing more and more badly the heavy sacrifices: the strikes multiply. In the army, morale is not better. The massive mutinies showed it a few months earlier.

To these internal weaknesses is added the external threat: the Bolsheviks have seized power in Russia and peace is emerging in the east. The German divisions will be able to be repatriated to France.

Faced with this fatigue and these threats, the voice of pacifism is heard more. Voluntarily or involuntarily, agitated by some like a scarecrow. Clemenceau does not deprive himself of it. This 76-year-old salesman, who began his political career on the extreme left, the radical party, became the slayer of those who are demanding negotiations. He who was the "doctor of the poor", very sensitive to the social question, surprised France by repressing the social movements during his first passage to the presidency of the Council, between 1906 and 1909.

At the beginning of the war, he refused to enter the government of national unity which he considered officially too weak. Clemenceau's political career was then very dear. Yet in 1917, his terrible eloquence wreaked havoc. In July, he denounced the "perch" Louis Malvy, emblematic Minister of the Interior. He accuses her of colluding with a journalist who campaigns for peace.

Clemenceau's chin strokes, his verve, added to the gravity of the situation the parent gradually of an aura of providential man. At least this was necessary for Raymond Poincaré to resolve to call him to the government. The two men can not stand each other. But four governments have just succeeded one another. The sacred union of the beginning of the conflict is no more than a memory and the Socialists as well as a part of the radicals already turn their backs on the new president of the Council. But when he enters the hemicycle, Clemenceau feels himself in a position of strength. And he intends to enjoy it ...
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He took the power!
In November 1917, President Raymond Poincarre put aside his personal dislike for Clemenceau and asked him to return as Prime Minister. Despite a long history of animosity between the two men, Poincarre recognized that Clemenceau shared his desire to defeat Germany at all costs, and had the will to carry this desire at its end.
Immediately after taking office, Clemenceau had his most vocal pacifist opponent , arrested and charged with "treason"; he subsequently vowed no surrender, telling the chamber of deputies that France's only duty now was "to cleave to the soldier, to live, to suffer to fight with him".
He detested Petain, he considered him as a dangerous and ambiguous defeatist, therefore he sidelined him and imposed Foch at the head of the allies Armies.
At the peace conference of Paris, he stood alongside U.S President Woodrow Wilson and Prime Minister David Lloyd George as the three central negotiators. Clemenceau personnaly disliked both men. He especially clashed with Wilson, whom he viewed as far too idealistic in his view of the post-war-world.
Though Clemenceau successfully insisted that the Versailles treaty requires German disarmament and stiff reparations , as well as the return of the territories of Alsace-Lorraine, lost in the Franco-Prussian war, he remained dissatisfied with the treaty in its final form. He was rejected as Prime Minister in January 1920 because many deputies wanted to settle account with him cause of his franc speaks ans also because they considered that Clemenceau was too tard with Germany, and in particular, his old rivals Aristides Briand and Poincarre.
The very Weird Deschanel was elected as President of the Republic instead of the "Tiger".
In his subsequent retirement he published his memoirs, "Grandeur and misery of victory", in which he predicted another war with Germany would break out by 1940.
He died on November 24, 1929, in Paris.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 10:25 PM   #3
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I think (sorry for my bad english)

- The President of the United States T.W. Wilson:
"There is no nation that is more intelligent than the French nation, and I am not afraid of his judgment if you allow me to expose him frankly. Not everywhere the same principle, the French would not accept a solution that would seem unfavorable to them, but if we show them that we are doing our best to act just wherever similar problems arise, the feeling of justice that is in the heart Of the French people will rise to answer: "You are right." I have such a high opinion of the spirit of the French nation that I believe that it will always accept a principle founded on justice and applied with equality. Annexation of these regions to France does not have a sufficient historical basis, part of which has been French for only twenty-two years, and the rest has been separated from France for more than a hundred years. Of Europe is covered, I know, with ancient injustices which can not all be repaired. What is right is to secure to France the compensation due to her for the loss of her mines of coal, and to give to the whole of the Saar region the guarantees she needs for the The use of its own coal. If we do that, we will do whatever we can reasonably ask. "

(Text cited by Pierre Milza, From Versailles to Berlin (1919-1945), Paris, Masson, 1981)
- Georges Clemenceau, Head of the French Government:

"I take note of the words and excellent intentions of President Wilson, he eliminates the feeling and the memory: this is where I have a reservation to make on what has just been said. The foundation of human nature The fact of war can not be forgotten America has not seen this war closely for the first three years, while we have lost a million and a half years, Our English friends, who have lost less than us, but enough to have suffered so much, will understand me.
Our trials have created in this country a deep feeling of the reparations which are due to us; And it is not only a question of material reparations: the need for moral reparations is not less great. The doctrines which have just been invoked would, if they were interpreted in all their severity, allow us to refuse Alsace-Lorraine as well. In reality, the Saar and Landau (*) are part of Lorraine and Alsace. Our great enemies of 1815, against whom we had fought for so many centuries, the English, insisted, after the fall of Napoleon, that Prussia should not take the basin of the Saar. A gesture of generosity towards a people who have suffered so much will not be lost. It is a mistake to believe that the world is led by abstract principles. These are accepted by certain parties, rejected by others, I do not speak of the supernatural doctrines, on which I have nothing to say; But I believe that there are no human dogmas, there are only rules of justice and common sense.
You are trying to do justice to the Germans. Do not think they will ever forgive us; They will seek only the occasion of a revenge, nothing will destroy the rage of those who wanted to establish over the world their domination and who thought themselves so close to succeed.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 10:46 PM   #4
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I think Wilson is naive or ignorent about european history and the US and British are lucky to be protected by sea and oceans.
After 1871 the German wanted indemnity and reparation for whats my France Could not do the same?

The Brit wanted germany paid but just with their fleet and want to keep them as good customers is normal for a Prime Minister to protect british interrest i understand that but if you are allié with other powers is normal to suport their claims and revendication no?
But strangely US and British passed their time to moderate french claims or rejected Clemeanceau wish.

Maybe is the Anglo Saxon idealism vs Latin realism?I laught about the injustice of Versailles and the intrensigence of the tiger . the majority of destruction is in north west and belgium and this two countries have not know a foreigns occupation between this periods . I rage if i read Versailles creat the WWII .No is not Versailles s the revanchism and revisionism of monarchists, nationalists and ultra conservatives elements of Germany and in not the samedegree italian (Latter renforced by Nazis and Faschists groups)

the return of Poland and creation of Czeckoslovakia is we french have wanted (I reconize the Czesh intelligencia and intellectuals working well in London and Washington to and have some links with anglo saxon university and by the way the free massonerie to)
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