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Old March 12th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #31

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your map says 10%. so even then it's not that common, if only 1 in 10 people have it.

but then what other posters say makes sense. If only a few hundred at best got washed up,or somehow hid from the King of Scots or whoever, then they wouldn't affect bloodlines to any great degree.
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Old March 12th, 2017, 03:18 PM   #32

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My grandfather black eyes black hair my grandmother brown eyes black hair had 17 uncles and aunts with russian hair green eyes brown black eyes blue russian hair russian brown my russian hair brown eyes russian hair blue eyes my two children one has russian hair and eyes Brown hair black eyes black my granddaughter black hair black eyes my granddaughter russian hair blue eyes, we are all portuguese family or we will be anchors of Ireland or Scotland.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 04:58 PM   #33
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your map says 10%. so even then it's not that common, if only 1 in 10 people have it.

but then what other posters say makes sense. If only a few hundred at best got washed up,or somehow hid from the King of Scots or whoever, then they wouldn't affect bloodlines to any great degree.
Not that common? Are you O.K.? Less than 0.6% of people worldwide have red hair, compare that to at least 10% in Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Red hair is more than ten times more common in Ireland/Scotland than around the world. Additionally at least 20 million British Islanders carry the gene for red hair, which is not only responsible for red hair, but a very pale skin complexion which is so common in Ireland and Britain.

This map is based only on three most common genes for red hair. If we maximized all genes responsible for red hair the percentage would be even greater. We see that Scotland, Ireland, Wales, northern England have the highest frequencies.

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The most common eye colour in the British Islands are blue eyes, though there variations per regions and are most frequent in Ireland and Scotland. Ireland has been nicknamed the "blue eyes" haven.

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Put in mind that the overall frequency in the various European countries are the following;
Belgium - 28.9%
Bulgaria - 13%
Denmark - 50.9%
France - 20.2%
Germany - 35%
Greeks - 10.9%
Italy - 10.3%
Portugal - 9%
Spain - 11.75%
Switzerland - 28%
Comparing it to the various British and Irish regions, we see that Britain and Ireland are much closer to Northern European nations than to Southern European ones, erasing completely the Armada myth.
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Now despite the fact, that it was Early Neolithic Farmers who introduced farming to Europe to the "brutish" Hunter-Gatherers of old. These Early Farmers genomically are most similar to the people of Sardinia, also the other Southern Europeans such as Spaniards, Portuguese.
Modern Irish, Scottish, Welsh populations in other words the Celtic Fringe people are not close to them, rather show a much closer affinity to those who brought ancestral Keltic speech to Europe who came to the British Isles via Central Europe from a long trek out of the Steppes in the Bronze Age.
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I can tell you that even if all Spanish shipwrecked sailors survived and settled in Ireland their genetic contribution to the Irish gene-pool would be so miniscule as to be wholly undetectable.

The truth is that most of them were either killed or handed over to the English authorities. Some made their way to Scotland - e.g Edinburgh - and hence were helped back to Spain, but these were relatively few. A minute in the Edinburgh archives dated 11th October 1588 mentions the arrival there, from Ireland, of a number of shipwrecked Spanish sailors in great distress. These the authorities resolved to relieve, finding it "expedient that the bowellis of mercie, compassion and christian charity be schawin vopone them." A collection was made throughout the town in order to provide them with clothing and assist them to return to their native country. Two weeks later a deputation was ordered to proceed to arrange for their transportion home. On the 1st November another reference was made to the arrival of a great number of shipwrecked Spaniards, "in maist meserabill estaitt, bayth naiket and famishet," and another collection was ordered to be made for their support. Presumably all were finally helped back to Spain.
Correct. Most of those proud Spanish sailors were killed or imprisoned by the tough English (Anglo-Saxons) soldiers under the leadership of Elizabeth I. Even some made it to Scotland, this could never have an impact on the Scottish or Irish populations.
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Correct. Most of those proud Spanish sailors were killed or imprisoned by the tough English (Anglo-Saxons) soldiers under the leadership of Elizabeth I. Even some made it to Scotland, this could never have an impact on the Scottish or Irish populations.
Well... NOR BLUE EYES nor BLOND HAIR come from "Sweden" or any other North European country...

Blue-eyed Hunters in Spain, 7000 years ago...

But of course, you can think the "Spanish" blue-eyed Hunterd 7000 years ago.. they came from "Denmark"... In fact, the theory is the Blue-yes Hunters in Spain came from Africa (or from Kavkaz)...

And now about the Blonde hair:

Sure the blonde hair is "typically" from Nordic Country (but not from the far north, Lapps are not blonde hair and not blue eyes) but "blonde hair" origin is not from Nordic Country...
We have the Tarim mummies (3.000 years ago) in the heart of Asia...and the Blonde hair in Asian steppe was not strange... Tayiks the blonde hair was common and also betwee some "tartan" tribes...and between some tribes associated with Turks, alans etc etc..
So, the Blonde Hair is not origin from "Norway".. save you prove the Asian Tribes... 30 centuries ago.. they were "Swedish tourist"...

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Asian steppe tribes.. for sure, Mr Occidentalies.. they were (and they are) "swedish"...

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but then they discovered African DNA in Yorkshire, and from 2000 years ago, so we know possibly Roman soldiers possibly bred with Celts, who became Anglicised once Deira/Northumbria took root, and then Anglo-Norsified once Jorvik came into being. So if this can happen, so can Spanish sailors in Scotland and Ireland.
What we do not know is whether the donors of A haplogroup were Roman soldiers. They could be Phoenicians who reached the British Isles. Modern West Africans might have received their "A" Y-haplogroup from some other ethnic entity as well.
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Now despite the fact, that it was Early Neolithic Farmers who introduced farming to Europe to the "brutish" Hunter-Gatherers of old. These Early Farmers genomically are most similar to the people of Sardinia, also the other Southern Europeans such as Spaniards, Portuguese.
Modern Irish, Scottish, Welsh populations in other words the Celtic Fringe people are not close to them, rather show a much closer affinity to those who brought ancestral Keltic speech to Europe who came to the British Isles via Central Europe from a long trek out of the Steppes in the Bronze Age.
Literally.. to say the Celtic World is british islands and not Spain.. it is pure ignorance or manipulation...

Both DNA (by the way, greater R1B in Spanish population than in British) as archeologycal as Historical (Greek and Roman) sources are very clear about the Celts in Spain.. and you say Spain is not matched with Keltoy Word...

R1B Haplogroup

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Celtic Sculture:

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Celtic Sculture 5th Century Before Christ...

And we had Strabo, Polybius, Erathostenes etc etc text.. but not.. Occidentalis that he is a "source" in himself.. he says Not Celtic Spain at all...
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Well... NOR BLUE EYES nor BLOND HAIR come from "Sweden" or any other North European country...

Blue-eyed Hunters in Spain, 7000 years ago...

But of course, you can think the "Spanish" blue-eyed Hunterd 7000 years ago.. they came from "Denmark"... In fact, the theory is the Blue-yes Hunters in Spain came from Africa (or from Kavkaz)...

And now about the Blonde hair:

Sure the blonde hair is "typically" from Nordic Country (but not from the far north, Lapps are not blonde hair and not blue eyes) but "blonde hair" origin is not from Nordic Country...
We have the Tarim mummies (3.000 years ago) in the heart of Asia...and the Blonde hair in Asian steppe was not strange... Tayiks the blonde hair was common and also betwee some "tartan" tribes...and between some tribes associated with Turks, alans etc etc..
So, the Blonde Hair is not origin from "Norway".. save you prove the Asian Tribes... 30 centuries ago.. they were "Swedish tourist"...

Regards

Asian steppe tribes.. for sure, Mr Occidentalies.. they were (and they are) "swedish"...

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No, by the Steppes, it's meant Ukraine-southern Russian region. Don't over stretch it with some Mongolid-Caucasoid mix people. The first blue-eyed individual originated in the northwest quadrant of Black Sea region not Spain! Get your facts straight.
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Well... NOR BLUE EYES nor BLOND HAIR come from "Sweden" or any other North European country...

Blue-eyed Hunters in Spain, 7000 years ago...

But of course, you can think the "Spanish" blue-eyed Hunterd 7000 years ago.. they came from "Denmark"... In fact, the theory is the Blue-yes Hunters in Spain came from Africa (or from Kavkaz)...

And now about the Blonde hair:

Sure the blonde hair is "typically" from Nordic Country (but not from the far north, Lapps are not blonde hair and not blue eyes) but "blonde hair" origin is not from Nordic Country...
We have the Tarim mummies (3.000 years ago) in the heart of Asia...and the Blonde hair in Asian steppe was not strange... Tayiks the blonde hair was common and also betwee some "tartan" tribes...and between some tribes associated with Turks, alans etc etc..
So, the Blonde Hair is not origin from "Norway".. save you prove the Asian Tribes... 30 centuries ago.. they were "Swedish tourist"...

Regards

Asian steppe tribes.. for sure, Mr Occidentalies.. they were (and they are) "swedish"...

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There many blond-headed Lapps. The percentage could be higher than in most Southern European countries.

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