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Old March 18th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #41
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Literally.. to say the Celtic World is british islands and not Spain.. it is pure ignorance or manipulation...

Both DNA (by the way, greater R1B in Spanish population than in British) as archeologycal as Historical (Greek and Roman) sources are very clear about the Celts in Spain.. and you say Spain is not matched with Keltoy Word...

R1B Haplogroup

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Celtic Sculture:

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Celtic Sculture 5th Century Before Christ...

And we had Strabo, Polybius, Erathostenes etc etc text.. but not.. Occidentalis that he is a "source" in himself.. he says Not Celtic Spain at all...
The original source of the R1b for Europe came from the Pontic Steppes not Spain. The R1b subclade most common in the British Isles is L21, while DF27 is more common in Iberia.

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Old March 20th, 2017, 05:13 AM   #42
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No, by the Steppes, it's meant Ukraine-southern Russian region. Don't over stretch it with some Mongolid-Caucasoid mix people. The first blue-eyed individual originated in the northwest quadrant of Black Sea region not Spain! Get your facts straight.

So you can prove the blue eyes arrived to Scandinavia sooner than to Iberia... your sources please...

DNA taken from the wisdom tooth of a European hunter-gatherer has given scientists an unprecedented glimpse of modern humans before the rise of farming. The Mesolithic man, who lived in Spain around 7,000 years ago, had an unusual mix of blue eyes, black or brown hair, and dark skin, according to analyses of his genetic make-up.

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DNA in 2016 have proved... BLUE EYES didnīt come from a Ethnic group... so youi failed when you wrote blues eyes come from Scandinavia... and blue eyes.. didnīt appear in Scandinavia and not between Scandinavian tribes... DNA Analyisis 2016 (Barcelona analysys... also confirmed by Kobenhavn Analysis)...

Your theory about blue eyes born in Ukrainia... is a Theory

And this is the Older BLUE EYES Skelenton ON EARTH till today 2017

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Waitig your evidences prove Blues eyes in Denmark and Ukrainia are older than in Spain . have you got the Skeleton at home? Where are the skeleton prove what you are talking...

The La Braņa man had the Gen HERC2 and the dark skin... 7000 years BC... 90 Centuries ago...

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So, when you write everybody with blue eyes in Ireland came from Scandinavia... you have to prove... If I say they came from Spain... it is the same chances... because the Blue Eyes in Spain didnīt come from Scandinavia...

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What you write about blue eyes born in Ukrainia is a THEORY...in magazine Human Genetics Dr Eigber... but it is theory because as it is said by the Kobenhavn university... not evidence... LA BRAŅA SKELETON is an evidence...
Waiting you show in this forum the Skeleton prove the blue eyes born in Ukrainia... of course, if La Braņa is 9.000 years old.. you should to have an skeleton older than 9.000 years ago.

Maybe in the future we are going to find a skeleton in Ukrainia but till that day comes... the oldest blue eyes on Earth appeared in Spain and the mutation took place in Spain... of course, it would be possible other place as Ukrainia or Russia or Turkey... but we need the evidences, the skeleton... La Braņa is not a theory... it is a fact, an evidence.

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Old January 13th, 2018, 12:29 AM   #43
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So you can prove the blue eyes arrived to Scandinavia sooner than to Iberia... your sources please...

DNA taken from the wisdom tooth of a European hunter-gatherer has given scientists an unprecedented glimpse of modern humans before the rise of farming. The Mesolithic man, who lived in Spain around 7,000 years ago, had an unusual mix of blue eyes, black or brown hair, and dark skin, according to analyses of his genetic make-up.

The Skeleton found in Cantabria in 2007

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DNA in 2016 have proved... BLUE EYES didnīt come from a Ethnic group... so youi failed when you wrote blues eyes come from Scandinavia... and blue eyes.. didnīt appear in Scandinavia and not between Scandinavian tribes... DNA Analyisis 2016 (Barcelona analysys... also confirmed by Kobenhavn Analysis)...

Your theory about blue eyes born in Ukrainia... is a Theory

And this is the Older BLUE EYES Skelenton ON EARTH till today 2017

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Waitig your evidences prove Blues eyes in Denmark and Ukrainia are older than in Spain . have you got the Skeleton at home? Where are the skeleton prove what you are talking...

The La Braņa man had the Gen HERC2 and the dark skin... 7000 years BC... 90 Centuries ago...

Click the image to open in full size.




So, when you write everybody with blue eyes in Ireland came from Scandinavia... you have to prove... If I say they came from Spain... it is the same chances... because the Blue Eyes in Spain didnīt come from Scandinavia...

Click the image to open in full size.



What you write about blue eyes born in Ukrainia is a THEORY...in magazine Human Genetics Dr Eigber... but it is theory because as it is said by the Kobenhavn university... not evidence... LA BRAŅA SKELETON is an evidence...
Waiting you show in this forum the Skeleton prove the blue eyes born in Ukrainia... of course, if La Braņa is 9.000 years old.. you should to have an skeleton older than 9.000 years ago.

Maybe in the future we are going to find a skeleton in Ukrainia but till that day comes... the oldest blue eyes on Earth appeared in Spain and the mutation took place in Spain... of course, it would be possible other place as Ukrainia or Russia or Turkey... but we need the evidences, the skeleton... La Braņa is not a theory... it is a fact, an evidence.
Not true at all!!! The origin of the first blue-eyed people is linked to the Black Sea region, in North-West Romania.
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Not true at all!!! The origin of the first blue-eyed people is linked to the Black Sea region, in North-West Romania.
Odd to bring an answer so many months after the post. I presume you know that Martin was suspended and genetics is a no go theme here.

Anyway, I didn’t understood when you said “Not true at all”. About what? The “La Braņa” man? Anyway you were asked for evidences. If you don’t have sources maybe it is pointless to dig an old thread.
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