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Old March 18th, 2017, 09:34 PM   #1
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Heirs of Anglo-Saxon Kings of England


Here is a list of the claimants to the throne of England in 1066 after the death of King Edward the Confessor, in rough order of the relative validity of their claims.

Claimants to the English throne in 1066 in order of the validity of their claims:

1) Edgar the Aetheling (c. 1051-c.1026) was the son of Edward the Exile (1016-1057), son of King Edmund Ironside (died 1016), the half brother of King Edward the Confessor, and thus his closest relative descended from the Anglo Saxon kings of England. The reason he wasn't elected king when Edward the Confessor died was because he was young and Harold Godwinson was very powerful. He Was descended from four kings of Wessex and four kings of England, and was related to others.

After Harold II was killed at Hastings in October Edgar was elected King Edgar II but submitted with his followers to William in December.

1) King Alfred the Great (849-899) King of Wessex (871-899). Chosen king in pf Wessex 871 in preference to the young sons of his older brother. Called himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons".
2) King Edward the Elder (c. 874-924) "King of the Anglo-Saxons". Son.
3) Aethelstan (c. 894-939) King of the Anglo-Saxons 924-927, King of the English 927-939. Son. No Children.
4) Edmund I (921-946) King of the English 939-946. Younger half Brother.
5) Eadwig or Edwy (died 959) king of the English 955-959 after the reign of his uncle Eadred. Son. No children.
6) Edgar I the Peaceful (c. 943-975) younger Brother. King of Mercia and Northumbria 957-959, King of the English 959-975.
7) Saint Edward the Martyr (c. 962-978) Son. King of England. 975-978. Childless.
8) Aethelred II the Unready (c.966-1016) Half brother. King of the English 978-1013, 1014-1016.
9) Edmund Ironside (died 1016) oldest surviving son. King of the English 1016.
10) Edmund Aetheling (c. 1015-1046?) Older son. Died in exile in Hungary by 1054. No children.
11) Edward the Exile (1016-1057). Younger brother. Recalled from Hungary by his uncle King Edward the Confessor (reigned 1042-1066) in 1056 but soon died.
12) Edgar II the Aetheling (c. 1051-c.1126) Son. Edgar was elected king after the death of Harold II Godwinsson in October, but submitted to William the Conqueror in December. There is no record of any wife or children of Edgar.
13) Saint Margaret (c. 1045-1093) sister. Married King Malcolm III of Scotland.
14) Edgar (c. 1074-1107) Fourth son. King of Scotland 1097-1107. Unmarried.
15) Alexander I (c. 1078-1124) brother, fifth son of St. Margaret. King of Scotland 1107-1124. No legitimate children.
16) David I (c. 1084-1153) brother, son of St. Margaret. King of Scotland 1124-1153.
[Henry (1114-1152) Only Child. Earl of Northumbia and Earl of Huntingdon.]
17) Malcolm IV (1141-1165) the Maiden. Son of Henry, Grandson of David. King of Scots 1153-1165. Unmarried.
18) William I (c. 1143-1214) the Lion. Brother. King of Scots 1165-1214.
19) Alexander II (1198-1249) Only Son. King of Scots 1214-1249.
20) Alexander III (1241-1286) Only Son. King of Scots 1249-1286.
[Alexander (1264-1284) Prince of Scotland. Son. Childless]
21) Margaret the Maid of Norway (1283-1290) Daughter of King Eric II of Norway and Margaret (1261-1283) daughter of Alexander III.

After her death came the competition for the crown of Scotland.

The winner was John I Balliol, the rightful heir by male preference primogeniture.

22) John I Balliol (c. 1249-1314), King of Scots 1292-1296. Son of John Balliol 5th Baron Balliol and Devoguilla (c. 1210-1290), daughter of Alan Lord of Galloway and Margaret of Huntingdon, daughter of David Earl of Huntingdon (1152-1219), brother of William the Lion.
23) Edward I Bailiol (c. 1283-1365) only known child. Three times king of Scotland beteen 1332 and 1336.

In the thread "Heirs of John Balliol, King of Scotland" several posts trace several possible heirs of John BallioL".

Heirs of John Balliol, King of Scotland

See numbers 5, 25, 27, 28, & 30 for tracing the heirs to the present day.

2) King Harold II Godwinson (c. 1022-1066). King of the Engllish Ju anuray to October 1066. The most powerful noble in England when King Edward the Confessor died childless and was elected king by the nobles in preference to Edward's genealogical heir, Edgar the Aetheling.

There is a legend that Harold's Godwinson family was descended in the male line from King Aethelred I of Wessex who died in 871. His sons Aethelhelm and Aethelwold were young and so Aethelred's younger brother Alfred the Great became King of Wessex. King Aethelred's known descendants include his great great grandson ealdorman Aethelweard the historian (died c. 998), father of Aethelmar the Stout (died 1015), father of Archbishop Aethelnoth of Canturbury (died 1038).

Most modern historians do not believe this story.

Harold had a large family of sons and daughters, but only one is alleged to have descendants to this day, Gytha (died 1098 or 1107) who allegedly married Preat Prince Vladimir II Monomakh of Kievan Rus and as the mother of several children including Mstislav the Great (1076-1132).

I ill trace the heirs of Gytha to the present in a later post.

3) Here is the ancestor chart of King Sweyn II Estridsson of Denmark, claimant of the English throne.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweyn_...nmark#Ancestry

He wasn't descended from any Anglo-Saxon kings but was descended from Sweyn I Forkbeard, a Danish king of England. He was also on his mother's side a cousin and potential heir of King Harold II Godwinson of England.

Sweyn II Estridsson had only one legitimate child who died young, but about 20 illegitimate children including four illegitimate sons who became kings of Denmark. If legitimate birth is necessary to be a heir to Anglo-Saxon England then Seyn Estridsson's claim to England has no heirs. I will try to trace his present heir in a later post.

4) Here is the ancestry of King Harold Hardrada's son King Magnus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus...orway#Ancestry

Harold Hardrada had no Saxon or Danish kings of England in his ancestry. His claim to the English throne was as successor to his nephew Magnus I who had made a deal with the Danish king King Harthacanut of Denmark and England that if one died without children the other would inherit his kingdom. Thus Magnus I and Later Harold Hardrada considered themselves the rightful kings of England.

Harold Hardrada was the ancestor of later kings of Norway and should have descendants to this day which I will trace in a later post.

5) Claim of Henry II, Count of Louvain.

1) King Alfred the Great (849-899) King of Wessex (871-899). Chosen king of Wessex 871 in preference to the young sons of his older brother. Called himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons".
2) King Edward the Elder (c. 874-924) "King of the Anglo-Saxons". Son.
3) Eadgifu of Wessex (902-after 955) Daughter, possibly oldest one. married Charles The simple, king of the West Franks or of France.
[Louis IV of France (920/21-954)] Son.
4) Lothaire (941-986) King of France. Son.
5) Louis V (966/67-987) King of France. Son
6) Duke Charles of Lower Lorraine (953-993). Younger brother of Lothair.
7) Duke Otto of Lower Lorraine (c. 970-1012) Son.
[Gerberga of Lower Lorraine. Sister. married Lambert I, Count of Louvain (died 1015)]
8) Henry I, Count of Louvain (1015-1038) Son. Apparently childless.
9) Lambert II, Count of Louvain (1033-1054) brother.
10) Henry II, Count of Louvain (1054-1071?) Son.

IN a later post I ill trace the heirs of Henry II, Count of Louvain to the present day.

6) Claim of Emperor Henry IV.

1) King Alfred the Great (849-899) King of Wessex (871-899). Chosen king of Wessex 871 in preference to the young sons of his older brother. Called himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons".
2) King Edward the Elder (c. 874-924) "King of the Anglo-Saxons". Son.
3) Eadgyth or Edith of England (910-946) Married Otto the Great (912-972), King of Germany 936, Emperor 962.
4) Liudolf Duke of Swabia (c.930-957). Son.
5) Otto I, Duke of Swabia and Bavaria (954-982) Son. Childless.
6) Mathilde, Abbess of Essen (949-1011) Sister. Childless.
7) Henry of Speyer (c. 970-989/92) Cousin. Son of Duke Otto I of Carintha (c. 948-1004), son of Duke Conrad the Red of Lorraine and Liutgarde (931-953) Daughter of Otto the Great and Eadgyth of England.
8) Emperor Conrad II (I) (C. 990-1039) Son.
9) Emperor Henry III (II) (1017-1056) Son.
10) Emperor Henry IV (III) (1050-1106) Son.

I will trace the heirs of Emperor Henry in a later post.

7) Edward the Elder also had a daughter Aelfgifu who was reported to have married "a king near the Alps". The possible heirs of Aelfgifu cannot be traced until her husband is identified.

8) The Claim of Count Baldwin V of Flanders.

The ancestor chart of King Henry I, son of William the Conqueror, shows that none of William's known great grandparents was a member of the Saxon or Danish royal families of England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_England

None of William's known ancestors was descended from a king of Wessex or a king of England.

But William's wife Matilda of Flanders, and thus their children, did have a slightly better ancestry.

King Alfred the Great of Wessex.
Aethryth (877-929), daughter, married Count Baldwin II of Flanders.
Count Arnulf the Great of Flanders (c.890-965), son.
Count Baldwin III the Young of Flanders (c. 940-962) son.
Count Arnulf II of Flanders (960/961-987) son.
Count Baldwin IV the Bearded of Flanders (c.980-1035) son.
Count Baldwin V (1012-1067) son.
Matilda of Flanders (c.1031-1083) married Duke William of Normandy.

Of course Count Baldwin V had a better claim to the English throne than his daughter, and after he died his sons Count Baldwin VI the Good (c. 1030-1070) and Count Robert I the Frisian (c. 1035-1093) were his heirs instead of his daughters, both being ancestors of modern royalty.

9) Claim of William the Conqueror. It was based on Edward the Confessor having allegedly promised William the English throne - apparently without publicizing it in England. And on Harold Godwinson allegedly searing to try to help make William King. And on right of conquest.

William the Conqueror was also a cousin of Edward the Confessor. His grand aunt Emma of Normandy was the wife of Aethelred the Unready and of Canute the Great and the mother of some of their children, including Edward the Confessor. Thus if William the Conqueror had died Without children and close relatives Edward the Confessor could have claimed the Duchy of Normandy as a descendant of the early Norman rulers. But William had no such claim to be the heir of Edward the Confessor.
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Tracing the heirs of King Harold II Godwinson to the present day.

This post from Regnal Chronologies - Pretenders - British Island - England traces the heirs of King Harold to the present day with just a few problems.

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ENGLAND - An Anglo-Saxon final word I've been asked a number of times some variant on the question: "Who would be the real heir to the Anglo-Saxons?" I've researched this carefully, and the probable answer is fairly startling. To begin with, no definitive answer is likely to be known - in the more than one thousand years from the time of Anglo-Saxon England to the present day, the various families descended from the Wessex monarchy spawned dozens of lines, many of which mouldered away in obscure settings and may very well have produced heirs and descendents that have gone unnoticed and unrecorded by heralds and genealogists. What follows, then, are the lines I have been able to trace given the records that are available; a due caveat is therefore to be understood. The assumptions this list operates under are also artificial to one degree otr another - one is that I base the list on Egbert of Wessex, the man who revived Wessex in the beginning of the 9th century and laid the very real basis for the Kingdom of England - that proves to be a realistic assumption, however, as you shall see. A far less tenable one is that I base the inheritance of rights on modern English rules of inheritence, which is not particularly Salic at all. But rules of who inherits what change over the centuries, and to apply such rules across the board is probably unwarranted. Still, the journey is an interesting one and, if one can cavil at some of the assumptions made, I will still maintain that what follows is one of the best, if not the best of all, putative claimancies on the legacy of Anglo-Saxon England...
Egbert (K. of Wessex 802-839)...................d. 839
∆thelwulf (K. of Wessex 839-855)...............839-858
∆thelbald (K. of Wessex 855-860)...............858-860
∆thelred (K. of Wessex 860-871)................860-871
Thus far, the standard Wessex succession. But at this point the inheritence takes a sharp turn. When Ethelred I was killed in battle, his youngest brother Alfred (the Great) assumed the crown. But he did so despite the fact that Ethelred had children of his own - their rights were ignored because the Kingdom was in a state of acute crisis in 871, and the eldest of these was still a small child, far too young to act effectively as a warrior-king. Still, what of his heritage... ?
∆thelwold (Ealdorman of the West)..............871-902
∆thelfrith (Ealdorman of the West).............902-c. 947
∆thelward the Chronicler (Eald. of the West)... ? -998
∆thelmar Cild (Ealdorman of the West)..........998-1016
Godwin (Earl of Wessex).......................1016-1053
Harold (K. of England 1066)...................1053-1066
By chance, this Earl of Wessex, a scion, and the senior scion of that realm's old Royal House, was in a position to reach for the throne following the death of his distant cousin, St. Edward the Confessor. His bid was ultimately unsuccessful - though he defeated a Norwegian expedition, the later Norman assault gained England and history moved on from there. But Harold left a large family, and plenty of descendents - inasmuch as he was the senior representative of the House of Wessex, they have by far the best claim to the throne...
Godwin........................................1066-1067/72
Ulf........................................1067/72-1087 >
Harold had a number of sons - Godwin and Ulf among them. I have not been able to document any further progeny of these men, but if some child was born of them, and raised in obscure circumstances, it, and any further descendents, would invalidate Gytha's claim.
Gytha (fem.).................................1087 >-1107
Here's where things become interesting - Gytha married a Russian, Vladimir II Monomakh, Veliki Knyaz (Grand Prince) of Kiev 1113-1125...
RURIKOVICH
Mstislav II the Great (G. Pr. Kiev 1125-32)...1107-1132
Vsevolod (Grand Prince Novgorod 1117-36)......1132-1138
Izyaslav (Grand Prince of Kiev 1146-1154).....1138-1154
Mstislav III (Gr. Pr. Kiev 1157-8, 1167-9)....1154-1172
Roman (Gr. Pr. Galitzia 1188, 1199-1205)......1172-1205
Daniel (Gr. Prince & King of Galitzia)........1205-1264
Daniel Romanovich led a chequered career as ruler in western Ukraine - he was Prince of Galitzia between 1205 and 1264 no less than eight separate times, being deposed by ambitious relatives on each of the first seven occasions. As if this weren't enough, his country endured invasion and conquest by the Mongols in 1246. In his last "term" (1242-64), he raised the status of Galitzia to that of a Kingdom, in 1253.
Lev (King of West Galitzia 1264-1300).........1264-1301
George (King of West Galitzia 1300-1308)......1301-1316
Alexander (Grand Prince of Suzdal 1309-32)....1316-1331
Constantine (Suz. 1331-41, Nizh. Novg. 42-55).1331-1355
Demetrius (Gr. Pr. Suzdal 1355-1383)..........1355-1383
Basil III (Gr. Prince Suzdal various times)...1383-1403
George IV (Gr. Pr. Suzdal 1418- ? )...........1403- ?
From the time of Yuri Vasilievich, the allodial holdings of this branch of the family were at Shuya, and these Suzdal Princes general used the dynastic name of "Shuisky".
Basil IV (Gr. Pr. Suzdal to 1446).............. ? -1458
Michael.......................................1458- ?
Andrew......................................... ? -1543
John..........................................1543-1573
Basil (Tsar of All Russia 1606-1610)..........1573-1612
Basil Shuisky was an influential Boyar who, during the Time of Troubles following the extinction of the Muscovy Rurikovichi, became Tsar for a time before being overwhelmed by rivals and deposed, ending his days in a monastery.
John..........................................1612-1638
At this point, the elder stemma of the Galitzian Rurikovichi apparently ends, with no cadet branches producing any further heirs. I find this a bit difficult to credit, since there are twelve generations between Ivan Shuisky and Daniel Romanovich. Still, the Muscovite Rurikovichi suffered a similarly complete extinction, so it is at least possible. If any reader has information about a continuation of the Shuisky line, I ask that you inform me of the details. Otherwise, the next line to produce extended generations of heirs and, in fact, progeny to this day, derives from a daughter of Daniel Romanovich. Pereslava (d. 1283) married a Polish Duke (Ziemowit of Mazovia). They produced a large family whose progeny run deeply through all the Polish partition Duchies of the 14th and 15th centuries. An elder line was mainly involved in Silesia, but it became entirely extinct in both male and female lines by 1521. A younger branch held Mazovia, Plock, and Warsaw among other locales. One line produced a series of daughters who married into, successively, Silesia-Teschen, Zapolya (where a son, Janos, became Prince of Transylvania and King of Hungary), Poland, Brandenburg, and Brunswick. Two generations of Brunswicks saw a marriage into Anhalt-Zerbst, and a remarriage in the next generation back to Brunswick, at which the 1630's are reached once again...
WELF (Braunschweig-WolfenbŁttel)
Rudolph Augustus (D. Brun.-Wolfen. 1666-1704).1638-1704
Dorothea (fem.)................................1704-1722
OLDENBURG (Schleswig-Holstein-PlŲn)
Dorothea Sophia (fem.).........................1722-1765
Dorothea Sophia had no surviving descendents, and with her the elder branch of this gens disappears. But Rudolph Augustus had a younger brother, Anthony Ulrich, who had children. The senior (by English succession laws) surviving heir of Anthony Ulrich of Braunschweig-WolfenbŁttel was Elizabeth Christine (d. 1750). She married Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor, and her eldest surviving heir was Maria Theresa, Queen of Hungaary and Bohemia, Archduchess of Austria and Lady of much else - she wed Francis Stephen of Lorraine and Tuscany, who was made Holy Roman Emperor in turn. She and her descendents are:
HABSBURG
Maria Theresa (Q. of Hungary + Bohemia).......1765-1780
VAUDEMONT (Lorraine-Habsburg)
Joseph II (HRE)...............................1780-1790
Leopold II (HRE)..............................1790-1792
Francis (HRE + Emp. of Austria)...............1792-1835
Ferdinand (Emp. of Austria 1835-1848).........1835-1875
Francis Joseph (Emp. of Austria 1848-1916)....1875-1916
Charles (Emp. of Austria 1916-1918)...........1916-1922
Otto..........................................1922-2011
Yes, assuming the Suzdal-Shuiskys are truly extinct, the next senior inheritor to the Anglo-Saxon heritage would be... Dr. Otto von Lorraine-Habsburg, who holds so many inherited legacies that he has his own article. One might also note that Daniel Romanovich represents the elder surving stemma of the Rurikovichi. By later Russian succession laws, the list from Daniel could plausibly be argued as the legitimate successors to that vast family, albeit the fact that there are a number of younger branches of the Ruriks still in existence. Still, with the Muscovite Ruriks gone, and this line representing the Suzdal Shuiskys, a case could be made for including the Tsardom of All the Russias among Ottos putative honours.
Charles.......................................2011-

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First of all note that the descent of Harold II Godwinson from the elder branch of the House of Wessex, which would make Harold II the rightful king by strict genealogy all along, is not believed by most historians. Harold's father, Earl Godwin (1001-1053), as probably the son of a thegn named Wulfnoth Cild (flourished c. 1008-1014), whose ancestry is considered to be unknown and probably not among the descendants of King Aethelred I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_the_Godwins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin,_Earl_of_Wessex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulfnoth_Cild

King Harold II (1022/25-1066) had about five sons and two daughters according to the sources, the oldest being teenagers or adults when he was killed and the youngest posthumous. Each of those seven lived for years or decades after their father was killed and could have married and had children.

1) King Harold II (1022/25-1066) Godwinson. King of England January to October 1066.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
2) Godwin (1045/55-after 1069) Presumably oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over those of his siblings.
3) Edmund (1047/55-after 1069) probable second oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin.
4) Magnus (1050/55-after 1069) probable third oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin and Edmund.
5) Ulf (died after 1087) Son, probably younger than Magnus. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, & Magnus.
6) Harold (posthumously December 1066-after 1098) Youngest and certainly legitimate son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, Magnus, & Ulf. But if undoubted legitimacy of birth is considered a requirement than Harold and his progeny had seniority over all his siblings and their progeny - except possibly Ulf who might also have been legitimate.
7) Gunnhild (died after 1093) Daughter. Unknown if she was older than Gytha or of legitimate or illegitimate birth. She was unmarried but was a mistress of Alan Rufus and possibly of his half brother Alan Niger.
8) Gytha/Eadgyth (1050/55-1098/99) who supposedly was the first wife of Grand Prince Vladimir II Monomakh (1053-1125) of Kievan Rus.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
9) Mstislav "The Great" (1076-1132) Grand Prince of Kievan Rus. Oldest son of Gytha.
RUSSIA RURIKID
10) Iziaslav Mstislavich (died 1154) Grand Prince of Kiev. A son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
11) Mstislav Iziaslavich (died 1172?) Grand Prince of Kiev. A son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
12) Roman Mstislavich"The Great" (after 1160-1205) Prince of Galich and Greand Prince of Kiev. Son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
13) Daniil Romanovich (1201/02-1264) Prince of Galich, King of Galicia. Older son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
14) Lev Daniilovich (1228?-1301) Son. King of Galich.
RUSSIA RURIKID
15) Iurii Levovich (124-1308) Son. King of Galich. Aparentlyidentical ith the George of the Regnal Chronolgies list.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Dobroslava Daniilovna Daughter of # 13) Danill romanovich. Married (150/51) Andrei Iaroslavich Grand Prince of Vladimir (died 1264]
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Vasily Andreievich (1264-1309). Son. Prince of Suzdal 1305]
16) Aleksander Vasilievich (died 1332). Oldest son of Vasily, grandson of Dobroslava. Prince of Suzdal 1309. Childless.
17) Konstantin Vasilievich (1295/1303-1355) Younger brother. Prince of Suzdal 1332.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Andre Konstantinovich (died 1365) Older son. Childless]
RUSSIA RURIKID
18) Dimitri Konstantinovich (1323/24?-1383) younger brother. Prince of Suzdal 1355. Grand Prince of Vladimir 1360.
RUSSIA RURIKID
19) Vasily (died 1403) Son. RUSSIA RURIKID
20) Iurii Vasilivich () Son. Prince of Shuia.
RUSSIA RURIKID
21) Vasily Iuriivich (died 1458) Son. Prince of Shuia.
RUSSIA RURIKID
22) Mikhail Vasilivich (died 1445) Son. Prince Shuisky.
RUSSIA RURIKID
23) Andrei Mikhailovich (murdered 1543) Son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
24) Ivan Andreievich (killed 1573) Son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
25) Vasily Ivanovich (1553-1612) Shuisky. Son. Tsar of All the Russias 1606-1610.
RUSSIA RURIKID


The Regnal chronlogies considers the descendants of the Shuiskys and all the other the descendants of Daniil Romanovich to seemingly become extinct at this time, except for the descendnats of a daughter of Daniil Romanovich, Perislava (died 1283) who married Siemowit or Ziemowit I, Prince of Mazovia. After many marriages between different families the next heir to the lineage was:
26) Rudolph Augustus, (1627-1704) Son. Duke Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolp...fenb%C3%BCttel
27) Dorothea Sophia (1653-1722) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Duke John Adolphus of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon.
28) Dorothea Sophia (1692-1765) of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon. Daughter. Married Adolphus Fredrick III Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. No surviving children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A...burg-Pl%C3%B6n
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph...nburg-Strelitz
(Christina Sophia (1654-1695) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Aunt. Married Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg, her first cousin. Childless)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August...-L%C3%BCneburg
(Louis Rudolph (1671-1735) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Son of Anthony Ulrich Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg son of Dorothea of Anhalt-Zerbst & Augustus, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_...-L%C3%BCneburg
(Elizabeth Christine (1691-1750) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Emperor Charles VI.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisab...fenb%C3%BCttel
29) Maria Theresa (1717-1780) Daughter. And her husband Emperor Francis I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa
30) Emperor Joseph II (1741-1790). Son. No surviving children.
31) Emperor Leopold II (1747-1792). Brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopol..._Roman_Emperor
32) Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835). Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._Roman_Emperor
33) Ferdinand I Emperor of Austria (1793-1875). Son. Childless. Abdicated 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria
34) Archduke Franz Karl (1802-1878). Brother. Resigned rights to throne 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...arl_of_Austria
35) Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria (1830-1916) Son. Reigned 1848-1916.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
(Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-1896) Brother)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...wig_of_Austria
(Archduke Otto Franz (1865-1906) son)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...5%E2%80%931906)
36) Charles I (1887-1922) Emperor of Austria. Grandnephew of Franz Josef. Son of Archduke Otto Franz (1865-1906) son of Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-1896).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria
37) Crown Prince Otto (1912-2011). Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg
38) Karl Von Habsburg (born 1961) Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg

In a later post I will criticize this and offer some alternate descents.
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The heirs of King Harold II Godwinson of England. Part Two.

Criticism of the list in Regnal Chronologies.

First the listed descent from King Aethelred I.

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Egbert (K. of Wessex 802-839)...................d. 839
∆thelwulf (K. of Wessex 839-855)...............839-858
∆thelbald (K. of Wessex 855-860)...............858-860
∆thelred (K. of Wessex 860-871)................860-871
Thus far, the standard Wessex succession. But at this point the inheritence takes a sharp turn. When Ethelred I was killed in battle, his youngest brother Alfred (the Great) assumed the crown. But he did so despite the fact that Ethelred had children of his own - their rights were ignored because the Kingdom was in a state of acute crisis in 871, and the eldest of these was still a small child, far too young to act effectively as a warrior-king. Still, what of his heritage... ?
∆thelwold (Ealdorman of the West)..............871-902
∆thelfrith (Ealdorman of the West).............902-c. 947
∆thelward the Chronicler (Eald. of the West)... ? -998
∆thelmar Cild (Ealdorman of the West)..........998-1016
Godwin (Earl of Wessex).......................1016-1053
Harold (K. of England 1066)...................1053-1066
By chance, this Earl of Wessex, a scion, and the senior scion of that realm's old Royal House, was in a position to reach for the throne following the death of his distant cousin, St. Edward the Confessor. His bid was ultimately unsuccessful - though he defeated a Norwegian expedition, the later Norman assault gained England and history moved on from there. But Harold left a large family, and plenty of descendents - inasmuch as he was the senior representative of the House of Wessex, they have by far the best claim to the throne...
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King Aethelred I did have young sons who were passed over for the succession in 871.

According to Medieval Lands:
King Aethelred I (844/47-871) King of Wessex 866-871.
Sons Aethelhelm (868/70-898) and Aethelwold (869/71-902/05).
Aethelhelm may have had a son Aethelfrith (died 904 or after), though some think it unlikely that he could have been active such a short time after his alleged father's birth.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
Aethelfrith was the father of Aethelstan (died in or after 956), Aethelwold (died after 946/47), Aelfstan (died after 934) father of an unnamed son, an unnamed son father of Aelfsige, and Eadric.
ENGLAND, ANGLO-SAXON NOBILITY
Aethelstan was the father of Aethelwold (died before 964), Aelfwold (died 990) [the maternal grandfather of one Aednoth], Aethelstine (died 987), Aethelwine (died 992/93) [father of Edwin and of Aethelweard (killed 1016)], and Aethelwig, and possibly also of Aelfnoth.
ENGLAND, ANGLO-SAXON NOBILITY

And other Saxon nobles have been suggested to be descended from King Aethelred I, but with no proof.

There were a couple of suggested relaitonships between the descendants of King Aethelred I and his brother King Alfred the Great.

Aelfgifu (died 966/75) the wife of King Eadwig, was separated from him by the Archbishop of Canterbury on the grounds of consanguinity. It is possible that their relationship was due to being descended from King Aethelred I.

ENGLAND, ANGLO-SAXON NOBILITY

Aethelwold, Ealdorman of East Anglia, was supposedly murdered by King Edgar in order to marry his widow, Aethelryth, daughter of Ordgar, Ealdorman of Devon. Aethlryth became the mother of King Aethelred II the Unready. Since Aethelold was a member of the family most plausibly descended from King Aethelred I, one could suggest that the marriage of his widow to a king belonging to the other branch of the House of Wessex might have transferred the heirship of Aethelred I to the line of the heirs of Alfred the Great.

ENGLAND, ANGLO-SAXON NOBILITY

Thus King Harold II Godwinson was probably not descended from from the elder branch of the House of Wessex.

Harold's father, Earl Godwin (1001-1053), was probably the son of a thegn named Wulfnoth Cild (flourished c. 1008-1014), whose ancestry is considered to be unknown and probably not among the descendants of King Aethelred I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_the_Godwins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin,_Earl_of_Wessex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulfnoth_Cild

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Godwin........................................1066-1067/72
Ulf........................................1067/72-1087 >
Harold had a number of sons - Godwin and Ulf among them. I have not been able to document any further progeny of these men, but if some child was born of them, and raised in obscure circumstances, it, and any further descendents, would invalidate Gytha's claim.
Gytha (fem.).................................1087 >-1107
Here's where things become interesting - Gytha married a Russian, Vladimir II Monomakh, Veliki Knyaz (Grand Prince) of Kiev 1113-1125...

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But Harold II had a bunch of sons, and their dates of death are not known with much certainty. suggesting that Godwin and Ulf were the only two sons to become Harold's genealogical heir before their sister Gytha is not very soundly based.

That is why I prefer to give this as the succession to Harold II:

1) King Harold II (1022/25-1066) Godwinson. King of England January to October 1066.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
2) Godwin (1045/55-after 1069) Presumably oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over those of his siblings.
3) Edmund (1047/55-after 1069) probable second oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin.
4) Magnus (1050/55-after 1069) probable third oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin and Edmund.
5) Ulf (died after 1087) Son, probably younger than Magnus. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, & Magnus.
6) Harold (posthumously December 1066-after 1098) Youngest and certainly legitimate son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, Magnus, & Ulf. But if undoubted legitimacy of birth is considered a requirement than Harold and his progeny had seniority over all his siblings and their progeny - except possibly Ulf who might also have been legitimate.
7) Gunnhild (died after 1093) Daughter. Unknown if she was older than Gytha or of legitimate or illegitimate birth. She was unmarried but was a mistress of Alan Rufus and possibly of his half brother Alan Niger.
8) Gytha/Eadgyth (1050/55-1098/99) who supposedly was the first wife of Grand Prince Vladimir II Monomakh (1053-1125) of Kievan Rus.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS

I will continue the criticism of the list of heirs given in Regnal chronologies in a later post.
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The heirs of King Harold II Godwinson of England. Part Three.

Criticism of the list in Regnal Chronologies continued.

My list of the frst heirs of Harold II:

1) King Harold II (1022/25-1066) Godwinson. King of England January to October 1066.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
2) Godwin (1045/55-after 1069) Presumably oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over those of his siblings.
3) Edmund (1047/55-after 1069) probable second oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin.
4) Magnus (1050/55-after 1069) probable third oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin and Edmund.
5) Ulf (died after 1087) Son, probably younger than Magnus. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, & Magnus.
6) Harold (posthumously December 1066-after 1098) Youngest and certainly legitimate son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, Magnus, & Ulf. But if undoubted legitimacy of birth is considered a requirement than Harold and his progeny had seniority over all his siblings and their progeny - except possibly Ulf who might also have been legitimate.
7) Gunnhild (died after 1093) Daughter. Unknown if she was older than Gytha or of legitimate or illegitimate birth. She was unmarried but was a mistress of Alan Rufus and possibly of his half brother Alan Niger.
8) Gytha/Eadgyth (1050/55-1098/99) who supposedly was the first wife of Grand Prince Vladimir II Monomakh (1053-1125) of Kievan Rus.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
9) Mstislav Vladimirovich (1076-1132) Older son. Grand Prince of Kiev 1125-1132.
RUSSIA RURIKID agrees he was the oldest son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_I_of_Kiev
Problem number two.
Here there is a problem since Medieval Lands seems to identify Vsevolod (died 1138) as the oldest son of Mstislav. Vsevolod probably has descendants to this day. Regnal Chronlogies lists Vsevolod as the heir of Mstislav but then has his brother Izayslav as his heir, as though Vsevolod had no children.
Wikipedia says that both Vsevolod and Iziaslav II ere the oldest son son of Mstislav.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_of_Pskov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iziaslav_II_of_Kiev
10) Vsevolod. died 1038. With or without children and heirs.
11) Iziaslav Mstislavich (died 1154) Son. Grand Prince of Kiev 1146-1154.
RUSSIA RURIKID
12) Mstislav Izaislavich (died 1172) Grand Prince of Kiev 1168-1172. Son. Possibly oldest son. Listed first by Medieval Lands and by Wikipedia.
RUSSIA RURIKID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_II_of_Kiev
13) Roman Mistislavich (after 1160-1205) "The Great" Grand Prince of Kiev 100/01-1205. Son.
Medieval Lands lists him first among the sons of Mistislav.
RUSSIA RURIKID
So does Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_II_of_Kiev
14) Daniil Ramanovich (c. 1201/02-1264) Prince of Galich, Grand Price of Kiev 1239, King of Galich 1259. Older son according to the birth dates given.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Irakly Daniilovich (1223?-before 1240) oldest son, childless]
15) Lev Danillovich (1228?-1301) second son. King of Galich 1269.
16) Iurii Levovich (1252/57-1308) Son. King of Galich 1301-1308.
RUSSIA RURIKID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_of_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_I_of_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_I_of_Galicia
Problem number three.
Here there is another problem. Iurii Leovovich seems to be the same person as the George King of West Galitzia listed in Regnal Chronologies. But after him Regnal Chronologies ignores the remaining descendants of King Lev Danillovhich (1228?-1301) pf Galicia and jumps to a cousin, Alexander, Grand Prince of Suzdal 1309-1332.
[Droboslava (no dates) Daughter of King Daniil Romanovich, married 1250/51 to Andrei Iaroslavich Grand Prince of Vladimir (died 1264)]
[Iurii Andreievich (died 1279). son. childless]
[Mikhail Andreievich (1264-after 1305). son. childless]
[Vasily Andreievich (1264-1309) Brother or possibly son of Mikhail Andreievich]
17) Aleksander Vasilivich (died 1332) Son of Vasily Andreievich. Childless. Prince of Suzdal 1309.
RUSSIA RURIKID
18) Konstantin Vasilivich (12995/1303-1355) Brother. Prince of Suzdal 1332. Grand Prince of Suzdal and Nizhny Novgorod 1350.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Andrei Konstantinovich (1321?-1365) Son. Prince of Suzdal. Childless]
19) Dmitry Konstantinovich (1323/24-1383) Brother. Prince of Suzdal. Grand Prince of Vladimir 1362-1362.
RUSSIA RURIKID
20) Vasily Dmitrivich (died 1403) "Kirdiapa" Son.
[Ivan Vasilivich (died 1417) Son. Prince of Suzdal. Childless]
21) Iurii Vasilivich (no date) brother of Ivan Vasilivich, son of # 20. Prince of Shuia or Shuya.
RUSSIA RURIKID
22) Vasily Iuriivich (died 1458) Son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
Problem number Four.
Here Regnal Chronologies ignores the descendants of 22) Vasily Iuriivich, who died out in the male line as late as 1610.
23) Mikhail Iuriivich (died 1445) Brother of # 22) Vasily Iuriivich. Prince Shuisky or Shuysky.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Ivan Mikhailovich (died 1559) son. Childless. The dates don't add up]
24) Andrei Mikhailovich (killed by Ivan the Terrible in 1543) That still seems like he ould be very old.
RUSSIA RURIKID
25) Ivan Andreievich (killed 1573) Son.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Andre Ivanovich (murdered 1589) Oldest son. Childless]
26) Vasily Ivanovich Shuysky (15-1612) Brother. Tsar Basil IV of Russia 1606-1610. No surviving children.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Dmitry Ivanovich Shuysky (died 1613) Brother. Childless]
27) Ivan Ivanovich "Pugovoka" Shuysky (died 1638) Brother, last male lineage Shuysky.
Problem number Five:
Here the Regnal Chronologies assumes that all the descendants of the Shuysky family died out in 1638. Considering the dozens of male members listed by Medieval Lands, there should have been dozens of women who married into other families and had descendants. And in fact Medieval lands does list four women of the branch of Suzdal and the Shuysky family who married into other families.
Anyway, the Regnal Chronologies list of Harold II's heirs goes all the way back to Pereiaslava Danillovna, sister of Dobroslava Danillovna, to find the next heir. And since Medieval Lands lists Pereiaslava before Dobroslava, one might suppose she was believed to be the elder sister and her descendants should have been listed instead of Dobroslava's in the first place.

Skipping over many generations briefly, Regnal Chronologies lists the next heir of Harold II as:
28) Rudolph Augustus, (1627-1704) Son. Duke Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolp...fenb%C3%BCttel
29) Dorothea Sophia (1653-1722) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Duke John Adolphus of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon.
30) Dorothea Sophia (1692-1765) of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon. Daughter. Married Adolphus Fredrick III Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. No surviving children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A...burg-Pl%C3%B6n
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph...nburg-Strelitz
(Christina Sophia (1654-1695) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Aunt. Married Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg, her first cousin. Childless)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August...-L%C3%BCneburg
(Louis Rudolph (1671-1735) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Son of Anthony Ulrich Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg son of Dorothea of Anhalt-Zerbst & Augustus, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_...-L%C3%BCneburg
(Elizabeth Christine (1691-1750) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Emperor Charles VI.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisab...fenb%C3%BCttel
31) Maria Theresa (1717-1780) Daughter. And her husband Emperor Francis I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa
32) Emperor Joseph II (1741-1790). Son. No surviving children.
33) Emperor Leopold II (1747-1792). Brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopol..._Roman_Emperor
34) Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835). Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._Roman_Emperor
35) Ferdinand I Emperor of Austria (1793-1875). Son. Childless. Abdicated 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria
36) Archduke Franz Karl (1802-1878). Brother. Resigned rights to throne 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...arl_of_Austria
37) Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria (1830-1916) Son. Reigned 1848-1916.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
(Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-1896) Brother)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...wig_of_Austria
(Archduke Otto Franz (1865-1906) son)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...5%E2%80%931906)
38) Charles I (1887-1922) Emperor of Austria. Grandnephew of Franz Josef. Son of Archduke Otto Franz (1865-1906) son of Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-1896).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Austria
39) Crown Prince Otto (1912-2011). Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg
40) Karl Von Habsburg (born 1961) Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg

Problem Number Six:

The Regnal Chronologies has been using the rule of male preference primogeniture to select the heirs of King Harold II. But the Habsburgs used male only primogeniture, and thus the heir of number 37 Emperor Franz Josef, is given as his grandnephew and successor Emperor Charles I, and so on.

According to the rule of male preference primogeniture the heir of Emperor Franz Josef as the heir of King Harold II should be his granddaughter Elizabeth.

(Crown Prince Rudolph (1858-1889) Son)
38) Archduchess Elizabeth (1883-1963). Granddaughter. Daughter of Crown Prince Rudolph (1858-1889).
39) Prince Franz Josef of Windisch-Graetz(1904-1981). Son.
40) Guillaume, Prince of Windisch-Graetz (born 1950). Son.

I will discuss some of the other problems in the list in a later post.
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The heirs of King Harold II Godwinson of England. Part Four.

Criticism of the list in Regnal Chronologies continued.

Here is my list of the heirs of King Harold II Godwinson:

1) King Harold II (1022/25-1066) Godwinson. King of England January to October 1066.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
2) Godwin (1045/55-after 1069) Presumably oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over those of his siblings.
3) Edmund (1047/55-after 1069) probable second oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin.
4) Magnus (1050/55-after 1069) probable third oldest son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin and Edmund.
5) Ulf (died after 1087) Son, probably younger than Magnus. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, & Magnus.
6) Harold (posthumously December 1066-after 1098) Youngest and certainly legitimate son. His progeny - if any - would have seniority over all his siblings's progeny except those of Godwin, Edmund, Magnus, & Ulf. But if undoubted legitimacy of birth is considered a requirement than Harold and his progeny had seniority over all his siblings and their progeny - except possibly Ulf who might also have been legitimate.
7) Gunnhild (died after 1093) Daughter. Unknown if she was older than Gytha or of legitimate or illegitimate birth. She was unmarried but was a mistress of Alan Rufus and possibly of his half brother Alan Niger.
8) Gytha/Eadgyth (1050/55-1098/99) who supposedly was the first wife of Grand Prince Vladimir II Monomakh (1053-1125) of Kievan Rus.
ENGLAND ANGLO-SAXON KINGS
9) Mstislav Vladimirovich (1076-1132) Older son. Grand Prince of Kiev 1125-1132.
RUSSIA RURIKID agrees he was the oldest son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_I_of_Kiev
Problem number two.
Here there is a problem since Medieval Lands seems to identify Vsevolod (died 1138) as the oldest son of Mstislav. Vsevolod probably has descendants to this day. Regnal Chronlogies lists Vsevolod as the heir of Mstislav but then has his brother Izayslav as his heir, as though Vsevolod had no children.
Wikipedia says that both Vsevolod and Iziaslav II ere the oldest son son of Mstislav.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_of_Pskov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iziaslav_II_of_Kiev
10) Vsevolod. died 1038. With or without children and heirs.
11) Iziaslav Mstislavich (died 1154) Son. Grand Prince of Kiev 1146-1154.
RUSSIA RURIKID
12) Mstislav Izaislavich (died 1172) Grand Prince of Kiev 1168-1172. Son. Possibly oldest son. Listed first by Medieval Lands and by Wikipedia.
RUSSIA RURIKID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_II_of_Kiev
13) Roman Mistislavich (after 1160-1205) "The Great" Grand Prince of Kiev 100/01-1205. Son.
Medieval Lands lists him first among the sons of Mistislav.
RUSSIA RURIKID
So does Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mstislav_II_of_Kiev
14) Daniil Ramanovich (c. 1201/02-1264) Prince of Galich, Grand Price of Kiev 1239, King of Galich 1259. Older son according to the birth dates given.
RUSSIA RURIKID
[Irakly Daniilovich (1223?-before 1240) oldest son, childless]
15) Lev Danillovich (1228?-1301) second son. King of Galich 1269.
16) Iurii Levovich (1252/57-1308) Son. King of Galich 1301-1308.
RUSSIA RURIKID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_of_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_I_of_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_I_of_Galicia
17) Andrei Iurievich (killed 1322) Grand Prince of Volynia & Lev II Iurievich (killed 1323) Prince of Galich & Volynia, Sons of Iurii I Levovich.
RUSSIA RURIKID
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_of_Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_II_of_Galicia
18) Iurii II Andreievich (died 1336?) King of Galich. Son of Andrei Iurievich. Childless.
RUSSIA RURIKID
19) Maria Iurievna (before 1293-1341) Aunt. Daughter of Iurii I Levovich. Married Trojden of Mazovia.
RUSSIA RURIKID
20) Ziemowitt III (before 1314-1381) Prince of Mazovia. Son.
POLAND
21) Janusz of Mazovia (died 1429) Oldest Son. Prince of Ciechanow and Warsaw.
POLAND
[Janusz (before 1383-1422) Oldest Son.]
POLAND
22) Dorothea (died after 1450) Granddaughter, daughter of the younger Janusz. Married Konrad Duke of Oels (died 1452) No Children.)
POLAND
SILESIA
[Boleslaw (1385/86?-1428) Uncle, Son of Janusz of Mazovia (died 1429)].
POLAND
23) Boleslaw III (before 1421-1454) Son. Prince of Ciechanow, Warsaw, Lomscha, and Plock.
POLAND
24) Konrad "The Red" (before 1448-1503) Oldest surviving Son. Prince of Warsaw, Ciechanow, Lomscha, and Plock.
POLAND
25) Stanislaw (1501-1524) Son. Prince of Warsaw, Ciechanow, Lomscha, and Novgorod. Childless.
POLAND
26) Janusz (1502-1526) Brother. Prince of Warsaw, Ciechanow, Lomscha, and Novgorod. Childless.
POLAND
27) Sophia (1498/99-1543) Older (?) Sister. Married 1st Stefan Bathory (died 1530) had daughter who died unmarried. Married 2nd Ludwig Pekri (died 1550) marriage childless.
POLAND
28) Anna (1498/99?-1557) Younger (?) Sister. Married Stanislaw Odrowaz of Sprowy.
POLAND
If the marriage of Anna (1498/99?-1557) has no descendants, the line passed to the heirs of her aunt Anna.
[Anna (1446-50?-1477/80) Aunt, Daughter of Prince Boleslaw III. Married Premislaw II Duke of Teschen]
POLAND
SILESIA
[Jadwiga of Teschen (1469?-1521] Daughter. Married Stefan Zapolya]
SILESIA
HUNGARY KINGS
[Janos Zapolya (1487-1540) Son. Rival King John I of Hungary 1526-1540.]
HUNGARY KINGS
29) Janos Zapolya (1540-1571) Son. Rival King John II of Hungary 1540-1551, Prince of Transylvania 1566-1571.
[Barbara Zapolya (1495-1515), Aunt of Janos II Zapolya. Married King Sigismund I of Poland & Grand Duke of Lithuania.]
HUNGARY KINGS
POLAND
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigism...ages_and_issue
30) Hedwig Jagellion (1513-1573) Daughter. Married Joachim II Hector, Elector of Brandenburg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig...of_Brandenburg
31) Elizabeth Magdalena (1537-1595) of Brandenburg. Daughter. Married Francis Otto Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg. Childless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig...nburg#Children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci...-L%C3%BCneburg
32) Hedwig of Brandenburg (1540-1602) Sister. Married Julius, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig...nburg#Children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedwig...fenb%C3%BCttel
33) Henry Julius (1564-1613) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_...-L%C3%BCneburg
[(Dorothea Hedwig of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel (1587-1609. Daughter. Married Prince Rudolf of Anhalt-Zerbst]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doroth...fenb%C3%BCttel
34) Dorothea of Anhalt-Zerbst (1607-1634). Daughter of Dorothea Hedwig of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Married Augustus, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothea_of_Anhalt-Zerbst
35) Rudolph Augustus, (1627-1704) Son. Duke of Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolp...fenb%C3%BCttel
36) Dorothea Sophia (1653-1722) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Duke John Adolphus of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon.
37) Dorothea Sophia (1692-1765) of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Plon. Daughter. Married Adolphus Fredrick III Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. No surviving children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A...burg-Pl%C3%B6n
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph...nburg-Strelitz
[Christina Sophia (1654-1695) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Aunt. Married Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg, her first cousin. Childless]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August...-L%C3%BCneburg
(Louis Rudolph (1671-1735) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Son of Anthony Ulrich Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg son of Dorothea of Anhalt-Zerbst & Augustus, Duke of Brunswick-Luneburg.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_...-L%C3%BCneburg
[Elizabeth Christine (1691-1750) of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel. Daughter. Married Emperor Charles VI.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisab...fenb%C3%BCttel
38) Maria Theresa (1717-1780) Daughter. And her husband Emperor Francis I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa
39) Emperor Joseph II (1741-1790). Son. No surviving children.
40) Emperor Leopold II (1747-1792). Brother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopol..._Roman_Emperor
41) Emperor Francis II & I (1768-1835). Son.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franci..._Roman_Emperor
42) Ferdinand I Emperor of Austria (1793-1875). Son. Childless. Abdicated 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria
43) Archduke Franz Karl (1802-1878). Brother. Resigned rights to throne 1848.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...arl_of_Austria
44) Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria (1830-1916) Son. Reigned 1848-1916.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Joseph_I_of_Austria
[Crown Prince Rudolph (1859-1889. Son]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf...nce_of_Austria
45) Archduchess Elizabeth Marie (1883-1963)granddaughter, daughter of Crown Prince Rudolph. Married first Prince Otto Wieriand of Windisch-Gratz (1873-1953).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archdu...First_marriage
46) Prince Franz-Joseph of Windisch-Gratz (1904-1981). Oldest son.
https://www.geni.com/people/Franz-Jo...00004301595401
47) Prince Guillaume of Windisch-Gratz (born 19 November 1950) Son.
https://www.geni.com/people/Prince-G...00004303195209

His older sister Stephanie Maria Eva (born 17 January 1939) married Dermot Hugh Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (1935-2005) and has children. Curiously, Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell sounds like an English name to me.

https://www.geni.com/people/Stephani...00008493617069

Stephanie's older son Henry Victor Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (born 1967) has a daughter and a son Byran Vahram John Blundell-Hollinshead-Blundell (born 2005)

Descendants of Crown Prince Rudolf* of Austria
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This is a bit like the 'oldest languages' thread.
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