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Old April 18th, 2017, 06:57 AM   #1

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Allies Knew about Holocaust before 1945


New documents reveal Allies knew of Holocaust years before previously assumed - Diaspora - Jerusalem Post

New story that has just surfaced suggests that the allied powers knew many details about the holocaust before the discovery of the death camps by allied soldiers.

I cannot say i am surprised really, unfortunately

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http://www.webtopnews.com/secret-hol...942-3992-2017/
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.783977
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7688036.html
http://time.com/4743829/holocaust-un...imes-archives/

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https://www.wienerlibrary.co.uk/News?item=56

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Old April 18th, 2017, 07:20 AM   #2
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This is in no way news. It's a well known fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_bombing_debate

"From April 1942 to February 1943, British Intelligence intercepted and decoded radio messages sent by the “German Order Police”, which included daily prisoner returns and death tolls for ten concentration camps, including Auschwitz"

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It's hardly new information, is it? The first reports in newspapers outside Germany came already in 1942. Mostly. initially, it seems to have been opinion pieces by Jewish journalists with insights in particular into Poland. By 1943 reports of Nazi brutality and mass executions of Jews in the east was being reported more generally in the news. It might be that the sheer extent of the killing, and the degree of systematization wasn't realized until late in the war however.

That the Nazis were mass-executing Jews in the east was etabslished in the news at least by 1943. Realization of the ambition to kill ALL Jews, and the industrial means employed, might not yet have been. What anyone outside the still undefeated Nazi Germany could do about it at the time is yet another matter.
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I am sure many knew prior to 1945. How do you hide such a thing from your own population and the world's intelligence agencies, especially in war time?
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Maybe there is new details in the files pugsville and Larrey? only reason i can see it being splattered in the news like this
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Old April 18th, 2017, 07:28 AM   #6

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Didn't we get a man inside who escaped and told us what was happening.
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Maybe there is new details in the files pugsville and Larrey? only reason i can see it being splattered in the news like this
Your faith in the news services is touching, but their collective track record on the details of history is generally pretty poor.

remember the headlines about Germany finally paying ww1 reparations off? (they weren't it was 1950s loans but you know headlines sell papers)
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Your faith in the news services is touching, but their collective track record on the details of history is generally pretty poor.

remember the headlines about Germany finally paying ww1 reparations off? (they weren't it was 1950s loans but you know headlines sell papers)
If you think i have faith in the media and their ability to provide a true and honest series of facts? ho ho ho.

The bang this is making i was expecting to read a massive new detail. like the British Helped the nazi's or something but as i read more and look at some of the posts here i guess this is another beat up.
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So guess I wasn't wrong in thinking the Allies didn't give two rat's rears about the Jews and other minorities being killed in the camps. They only fought the Nazis because the Nazis invaded everyone else. Had Hitler simply remained content with ruling Germany, I doubt anyone would have lifted a finger to save the German minorities.

I hate to say that this is the face of humanity, but...
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Clausewitz - "selection and maintenance of aim".

The objective is to defeat the Hitlerite regime as quickly as possible with the minimum of loss.

It may seem cruel but expending military effort and lives saving victims of concentration camps deflects from this aim.
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