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Old June 8th, 2017, 07:00 AM   #1
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Christian Europe's Survival through containment against all odds.




There were several pivotal moments throughout European history where the arabs / muslims were stopped before they could conquer large swaths of Europe, the center of Christendom.

We see this in the East and the West. Of course, one floodgate eventually broke in the East - Constantinople (1453).

Tours in 732 AD (The battle at Toulouse is significant at well in 711) is well-known. Charles Martel is commonly given much credit for his victory there.

The First and Second Arab Sieges of Constantinople halted the initial muslim conquests. The Byzantine Empire fought much with the arabs and later the turks after this - They were a barrier against such forces.

Vienna is a later point in 1683 - Jan III Sobieski could be argued as a king who saved Europe, as the fall of that city would have potentially acted as yet another floodgate for the Ottomans to expand through. Especially with how much the Austrian monarch resented Jan, it is a surprise he even came to Austria's aid.

Anyway - Anyone know of any other points of 'containment' that allowed Christianity to survive and thrive in Europe throughout history?
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Well Asia had the last laugh. Guess how? Europe adopted a Asiatic religion. Just to refresh peoples memory here anything 'ost' of Bosphorus is Asia and anything 'west' of Bosphorus is Europe.

Now you can choose to slice and dice the geography to such arbitrary geographic markers as 'Middle' that or 'East' that or 'Near' that but that is only exercising nomenclature and does not detract from the geographic reality.

Europe got done in by Asia !
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So just a quick summary.

* Europe got it's religion from Asia.
* Europe got it's counting system from Asia.
* Europe got it's evolved script from Asia.


Mmm. Did I miss something?
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So just a quick summary.

* Europe got it's religion from Asia.
* Europe got it's counting system from Asia.
* Europe got it's evolved script from Asia.


Mmm. Did I miss something?
The continent is named after phoenician ergo asian princess I like your asiacentrism. Asia FTW
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I think the battle between europe and the muslim states was more cultural than religious, the religions of Islam and Christianity they have ''dressed'' that very distinct cultures that lying beneath.

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The continent is named after phoenician ergo asian princess I like your asiacentrism. Asia FTW
The continent has a Greek name derived from one of the oldest Greek myths.
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The continent has a Greek name derived from one of the oldest Greek myths.
About a Fenician princess...
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About a Fenician princess...
The world was a different place at that time of the myth, Abraham wasn't born yet, let alone founders of islam, a girl with a greek name from the Phoenicia doesn't mean that was Asian.
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