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Old July 30th, 2017, 06:04 PM   #1
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Is modern Greece a part of the 'West'?


Classical Greece is easily the cradle of western civilization but is the Greece of today western? Does it have democracy, equal rights etc.,?
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Old July 30th, 2017, 06:15 PM   #2

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Old July 31st, 2017, 09:15 AM   #3

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Yes--why not? The burden is on someone who wants to maintain that Greece, the birthplace of Western Civilization, is no longer part of it.
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Old July 31st, 2017, 09:54 AM   #4

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Classical Greece is easily the cradle of western civilization but is the Greece of today western? Does it have democracy, equal rights etc.,?
For your first question I would answer with David’s words. As for the second… I think that is a pertinent question, the validity of “democracy” and “equal rights” when a state is under financial pressure, literally bankrupt, and “saved” by institutions that have a different perspective of the problem than the people. That question was never fully answered in the context of the EU.
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If Greece is not a part of Western Civilization, nobody is.
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If Greece is not a part of Western Civilization, nobody is.
Even if the concept of West is in a constant metamorphosis. There were long periods of history were Greece would be consider East.
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Old July 31st, 2017, 01:14 PM   #7

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I thought the question meant today because of the words "is" and "modern".

Modern could also mean from 1492 to 1815.
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Old July 31st, 2017, 02:31 PM   #8

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I thought the question meant today because of the words "is" and "modern".

Modern could also mean from 1492 to 1815.
I also understood that way, as today, the present, even with the ambiguity of the word Modern, and I fully agreed with you when I followed David’s words.

I was just trying to say that the “West” concept is fluid and tried to give a broader perspective in time, after all history is not about the Man in the present.

As for Greece since the division of the Roman Empire, until the end of the Modern period (with those dates or others), it was mostly considered East: East of Europe, Eastern Christianism, and under the Eastern rule.
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Greece since the times of Byzantium, has been the bearer of Christian-Orthodox civilization, which, clearly, has deep cultural, religious and even metaphysical differences with the Western civilization, with which it shares the same legacy, that of Roman Empire and Christianity, but both civilizations have evolved in quite different directions.

For modern Greece, it's hard to tell. The outer, superficial layer says it is part of the West, it's integrated into Western political and military structures, shares the same modern traditions, etc. However, one could also say Greece retains a distinct identity, different from that of Western and Central Europe, not to mention the Anglo-sphere.

Politically and economically, it's without doubt part of the West. Culturally? That's a matter for discussion.
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Classical Greece is easily the cradle of western civilization but is the Greece of today western? Does it have democracy, equal rights etc.,?
If you give a clear definition or at least description of what means "western civilization", we can discuss if Greece is "western" or not. If by "western" you mean having the bourgeois parliamentary (liberal) democracy, yes, I think that Greece is western.
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