Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > World History Forum > European History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

European History European History Forum - Western and Eastern Europe including the British Isles, Scandinavia, Russia


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old August 23rd, 2017, 06:05 PM   #1
Archivist
 
Joined: Aug 2017
From: Florida
Posts: 101
Do you think European imperialists were any more racist than previous rulers?


Or did they simply have better technology?

Were the Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Arabs, Mongols, Ottomans just as racist?
farmerjohn1324 is offline  
Remove Ads
Old August 23rd, 2017, 06:07 PM   #2

Edric Streona's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Feb 2016
From: Japan
Posts: 2,726

Greeks and Romans not European?
Edric Streona is offline  
Old August 23rd, 2017, 06:45 PM   #3
Archivist
 
Joined: Mar 2017
From: US
Posts: 130

Definitely not more than the Ottomans. Think Barbary Slave Trade.
Tom21 is offline  
Old August 24th, 2017, 05:19 AM   #4
Historian
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: USA
Posts: 3,283

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edric Streona View Post
Greeks and Romans not European?
I think the OP is contrasting the Europeans beginning c. 1500 or or so with previous colonials, wherever they might have been.
RoryOMore is online now  
Old August 24th, 2017, 05:39 AM   #5

Corvidius's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Jul 2017
From: Dinotopia
Posts: 729

There is a presumption that they were racists in the modern sense. Back in those days the word had not even been invented.

It should be recognized that many of those in positions of power in Europe treated their own indigenous populations as little more than slaves. Even in countries that did not have bonded laborers or serfs, the supposedly free citizens were just common scum to the aristocracy. Before bemoaning the fate of far off peoples, a closer look at home is needed first to put the entire thing into context. In Britain into the second half of the 19th Century, children were still being sent down the mines, or doing extremely dangerous jobs, for almost no wage, and being hung. Into my childhood, beatings by state appointed sadists, teachers I think they were meant to be, were common, and while old photos of slaves with whip marks are shown to illustrate slavery, they were not the only people with marks, and that is up to very recent times, not the mid 19th century.
Corvidius is offline  
Old August 24th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #6
Lecturer
 
Joined: Aug 2013
From: Pomerium
Posts: 468

European and non-European racist imperialists were on the same page when it came to denying racially "inferior" men access to racially "superior" women - the difference was how often they resorted to castration.

European and non-European racist imperialists were on the same page when it came to ravishing racially "inferior" women - the difference was whether they were openly polygynous.
Fenestella is online now  
Old August 25th, 2017, 10:36 PM   #7

johnincornwall's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Nov 2010
From: Cornwall
Posts: 5,891

Can't we have a forum rule banning this application of 20th and 21st century terms and concepts to periods where such standards didn't apply?
johnincornwall is offline  
Old August 26th, 2017, 04:54 AM   #8
Archivist
 
Joined: May 2016
From: Greater Manchester
Posts: 175

They weren't racists at all.
Warwolf is offline  
Old August 26th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #9
Citizen
 
Joined: Sep 2016
From: Chile
Posts: 21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edric Streona View Post
Greeks and Romans not European?
In someway, greeks and romans can be related more with the annatolian and middle eastern civilizations than the western europe peoples. Looking their mithology, romans used to identify themselves with Eneas, as participants in the war of Troy. Also, Greeks laid the fundations of "Europe" in the middle east ,talking about "Europe" as a Syrian princess kidnnaped by Zeus.
Furthermore, Christianity and Modern Capitalism played a main role in the stablishment of Europe as political and cultural concept. That distinguish the european explorations of XV century of the Vikings settlement in north atlantic islands.
Of course, thats only my own opinnion as bad english speaker student XD. Reggards and have a nice day.
Chandragupta is offline  
Old August 28th, 2017, 12:49 PM   #10

notgivenaway's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jun 2015
From: UK
Posts: 4,781

The Mongols only wanted power. they tolerated those who accepted their power, and demolished those who didn't.

I think many empires were racially stratified, though the Romans did allow people to practice their own culture to some extent. It was only in the Late Western Empire that non-Italians gained high positions. Only ethnic Latins from Italia in Augustus's time had the true power in the Empire, or the Republic.
notgivenaway is offline  
Reply

  Historum > World History Forum > European History

Tags
european, imperialists, previous, racist, rulers



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wealth and income of European/Mediterranean rulers (1500-1525) Tulius European History 5 August 29th, 2017 03:56 AM
Zdrastvuyte, Bog Xrani Tsarya! Hello to non Russian or non Imperialists too! The Imperial Russian New Users 17 July 11th, 2014 04:47 AM
Generals Always Fight the Previous War Ckris War and Military History 20 January 5th, 2010 04:43 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.