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Old October 28th, 2017, 05:01 AM   #21

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I don't think we do. We see it as perhaps THE most important/memorable year in our history, but not with any negative connotations. It was a turning point in the history of Britain, but without William ee wouldn't have had our rich pagentry of kings and queens like Edward I,Richard III, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I etc etc
I think same.It isn't downfall country but new period in England's history.Generally many people who helped England to prosper are foreigners
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I don't have a dawg in this fight (Too me it's just different groups of Germans squabbling over their booty), but I don't think the Normans could have beat the Saxons if the Saxons hadn't had too take on the Vikings at the same time. The Saxons were formidable warriors.
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I don't have a dawg in this fight (Too me it's just different groups of Germans squabbling over their booty), but I don't think the Normans could have beat the Saxons if the Saxons hadn't had too take on the Vikings at the same time. The Saxons were formidable warriors.

Uh, the Normans weren't very German?
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Uh, the Normans weren't very German?
Yea, they were. Norman means Northmen, descendents of Vikings, Scandinavian Germanics that carved out a place on the coast of France. Saxons, Normans & Vikings all Germanics fighting each other.

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Uh, the Normans weren't very German?
They were descended from Rollo and his northmen/vikings - early medieval northern germanic ppl, so M9Powell is partially correct i presume. During Duke William times more than hundred years had past and through generations local old french speaking ppl kinda assimilated them. It amazes me it took so many years/centuries for Plantagenets to start to speak middle english. I think Henry of Bolingbroke is the first king who spoke middle english as primary language/introduced it in his court.
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I don't think we do. We see it as perhaps THE most important/memorable year in our history, but not with any negative connotations. It was a turning point in the history of Britain, but without William ee wouldn't have had our rich pagentry of kings and queens like Edward I,Richard III, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I etc etc
What about the Anglo-Saxon kings?
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During Duke William times more than hundred years had past and through generations local old french speaking ppl kinda assimilated them.
Aren't Franks Germanics also?
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Aren't Franks Germanics also?
You are correct. They were a major ethnic group in duchy of Normandy at the time along with Celto-Romans. Add Rollo and his vikings 130 years earlier (930AD) in the admixture
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The only thing I am leery about when it comes to the Conquest is the way in which is influenced the North/South power divide here in England, so more wealth was concentrated down here in the South East and our Northern compatriots were either impoverished, repressed or ignored.
The north south divide dates back further but the wealth divide is much more recent. The north was much more wealthy at times. The large landed families made fortunes because they owned the coal and built the canals and railways etc and of course, leased the land on which the mills were built. The Dukes of Devonshire (Cavendish), The Earls of Harrington (Spencer Stanhope) and so on have titles which suggest that they are southern based but they are in the north. Wentworth Woodhouse is/was the largest house in the country and was built on coal near Rotherham and Barnsley. It is now in disrepair because when the mines were nationalised, Manny Shinwell allowed the mining to come very close to the house, despite the fact that the seams near it were very poor, 'a deliberate act of political vandalism'.



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William gave land to his supporters but he was careful not to concentrate it all in one place. They had to spend their time controlling great tracts of fragmented land throughout the country. It stopped them building local power bases. William, who was only a Duke in Normandy and vassal to the king of France, was, because of his possessions, more powerful than his king. He wasn't going to allow that to happen in England and let some of his subjects gain too much power in one place. They struck it lucky in the industrial era though.
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What about the Anglo-Saxon kings?
By one of those little historical ironies, the only remaining parts of the Duchy of Normandy, are ruled by the current Duke of Normandy, HRH Queen Elizabeth who is really of the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha. In the bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey, the toast is still, 'The Queen, Our Duke'. She's a Duke and not a duchess because she holds the title in her own right. So we have a sort of saxon monarch, if not an anglo saxon monarch, who has turned the tables on the normans.

The last french Duke of Normandy was Louis Charles 1785 - 1789.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Normandy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Normandy

Harold Godwinson though was the last Anglo Saxon King of England.

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