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Old December 25th, 2017, 08:37 PM   #11
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They were pagans and similar to Lithuanians, not Germanic. They were not mostly killed off. Germans became most of the elite. The Prussian language lasted until the 18th century.
"After fifty years of warfare and brutal conquest, the end result meant that most of the Prussian natives were either killed or deported.[21]" From the Wikipedia "Teutonic Knights, Prussia".

[21] The German Hansa P. Dollinger, page 34, 1999 Routledge.

I'm not sure where native Prussians went when they were "deported". In any case they were "removed".

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I'm not sure where native Prussians went when they were "deported". In any case they were "removed".
Original Prussians went to in what's today Lithuania, Belarus , and north-eastern Poland bordering Belarus. Their new settlements were mentioned in Galician–Volhynian Chronicle compiled in what's today north-western Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galici...nian_Chronicle

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The original Prussians were a Baltic people. Many were killed or assimilated during the Northern Crusades and what followed with the Teutonic Knights. They occupied the eastern half of Poland and what is now nations like Lithuania and Latvia, as well as Kaliningrad . As attempts were made to subdue them and Christianize them, they settled in Lithuania and Latvia.

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The original Prussians were a Baltic people. Many were killed or assimilated during the Northern Crusades and what followed with the Teutonic Knights. They occupied the eastern half of Poland and what is now nations like Lithuania and Latvia, as well as Kaliningrad . As attempts were made to subdue them and Christianize them, they settled in Lithuania and Latvia.

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They didn't settle in Latvia, as Latvia was already under Livonian order. Expelled from one order they would not go to land under another Livonian order.

They settled in south-western Lithuania, western Belarus (fully Baltic at the time) and north-eastern Poland bordering Belarus which was also fully Baltic. Namely settled by Yotvingians - close cousins of Prussian. Lithuanians are eastern Baltic, while Yotvingians were western Balts just like Prussians. The settlement of Prussians escaping Teutonic order was also attested in historic chronicle.
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The original Prussians were a Baltic people. Many were killed or assimilated during the Northern Crusades and what followed with the Teutonic Knights. They occupied the eastern half of Poland and what is now nations like Lithuania and Latvia, as well as Kaliningrad . As attempts were made to subdue them and Christianize them, they settled in Lithuania and Latvia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesti
Old Prussians escaping Teutonic Order didn't settle in what's today Latvia, as the territory was already under the Livonian Order. Expelled from by one Order they would go to land under another Order?

They settled in what's today south-western Lithuania, western Belarus (fully Baltic at the time) and north-eastern Poland bordering Belarus which was also fully Baltic. The regions were settled by Yotvingians - close cousins of old Prussians. Lithuanians are eastern Balts, while Yotvingians were western Balts just like Prussians themselves The regions of settlement of old Prussians escaping Teutonic Order were also attested in historic chronicle I referenced above.
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Leading Lithuanian linguist Zinkevičius from Vilnius University sketched a map of Lithuanian dialects. In the 16th century Lithuania dialects were spoken reaching as far south as Minsk. In the the 13th century entire western and north-western Belarus, and north-eastern Poland were settle by Yotvingians. It made sense for old Prussians to settle among their west Baltic cousins Yotvingians.


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Prussian was generic term applied to many west Baltic tribes. Nadruvians was one of the largest tribes : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadruvians

It's unclear if Scalvians and Yotvingians (Sudovian on the map) were Prussians. Yotvingians were not under pressure from Teutonic order. In historic chronicles they were not labeled Prussians, despite they spoke west Baltic dialect.








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Prussian was generic term applied to many west Baltic tribes. Nadruvians was one of the largest tribes : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadruvians

It's unclear if Scalvians and Yotvingians (Sudovian on the map) were Prussians. Yotvingians were not under pressure from Teutonic order. In historic chronicles they were not labeled Prussians, despite they spoke west Baltic dialect.








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Do you know what Prussian tribes' dialects/languages we have records of?

There is a revived Prussian language. Do you know what dialect of Prussian it is based off of?
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Do you know what dialect of Prussian it is based off of?
Are you asking from what language family the Prussians spoke? If so, it was Baltic. Balto-Slavic was a common language off the Indo-European langauge family. Baltic and Slavic split around 1400 BCE:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages
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Are you asking from what language family the Prussians spoke? If so, it was Baltic. Balto-Slavic was a common language off the Indo-European langauge family. Baltic and Slavic split around 1400 BCE:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages
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No, and I think that is pretty common knowledge. I was asking what Prussian dialect the 'revived Prussian' was based off of i.e. whether revived Prussian was based off of Nadruvian, Sambian, Warmian, Bartian, etc.
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