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Old January 10th, 2018, 12:18 PM   #41

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In 2015, A vote by the 60 strong History Writers Association voted Elizabeth I (36% of the votes) as England’s greatest monarch.

Back in 2002 BBC Radio 4 ran a pole that received a total of 10,000 votes. Once again Elizabeth I came out on top with 31% of the vote. Elizabeth II came second with 27% of the vote.
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Old January 10th, 2018, 01:11 PM   #42
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Going to defend Henry V here.

My issue is, nothing actually went wrong until he died. Even then if his heir wasn't a baby I can't see how things go the way they did in our timeline. The Hundred Years War was done, England had won, Henry dying set off the sequence of events that reversed what at the time was a fact. English kings claiming the French throne was due to Edward III(and therefore all his descendants) having a claim, the English forced the issue because the French tried to seize all their feudal holdings. The end of the first part of the conflict saw both sides retracting their aggressive behavior.

Even ignoring all that how is Henry V's conquest of France, marrying the eldest surviving daughter of the previous defeated King and making an heir any different, except Charles VII was too old to be a prince in the tower while Edward V of England wasn't? Henry VI was the grandson of the King of France and if Charles VII and his family had all been killed he'd have been the rightful heir. Some of Henry V's credit does belong to the Burgundians and Henry still did die and fail to eliminate the opposition the French rallied behind.
From my point of view the alliance with the duke of Burgundy, Jan the Fearless, allowed Henry to achieved all you have mentioned above. Without such help all english schemes to rule France was doomed. Not understanding this fact was a great mistake. After the murder of Jan the Fearless, his heir Philipp, understood the "english ignorance" and turned his attention from his French possessions to his German possessions.

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Old February 21st, 2018, 11:44 AM   #43

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In 2015, A vote by the 60 strong History Writers Association voted Elizabeth I (36% of the votes) as Englandís greatest monarch.

Back in 2002 BBC Radio 4 ran a pole that received a total of 10,000 votes. Once again Elizabeth I came out on top with 31% of the vote. Elizabeth II came second with 27% of the vote.
There is a new book out on Richard I, which debunks all the hyperbole: the 3rd Crusade was a clarion call that was a sacred duty.

Richard did not, not speak English, his first language was French. The childish sharing a bed with the french king, interpreted as a lovers tryst, is of course just silly: Richard was a notorious philanderer. And an apparent lack of interest in England does not a "bad king make".

It is an objective and learned work that provides 'a fascinating insight into the evolution, manipulation and frequent hyperbole' surrounding Richard, Coeur de Lion.
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