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Old January 2nd, 2018, 04:14 AM   #11

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It may have to do with increased organization of "armies". So you would want big men in your warband. Also the Germanic tribes put high value on women of child bearing age. Iirc the weregild on these women was on par with nobles. So you certainly wouldn't put them in harm's way.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 05:29 AM   #12

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There are tales of individual female warriors, Boudicca for example...
There ARE accounts, certainly, but Boudicca was not one of them. She was a very powerful personality and led a huge revolt, and she rode in a chariot and carried a spear to exhort her troops. Not even a hint that she actually fought in battle.

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However these women may be well known because of their uniqueness, not because there were large numbers of female warriors.
Exactly. Worth mentioning a couple ladies among Alexander the Great's extended family, described as being trained warriors from childhood, and apparently quite respected in battle. Might have been a mother and daughter? I don't recall exactly.

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Was there not a recent find in the UK of a female believed to have been a gladiator?
That whole grave find was incredibly over-hyped in the press. Perfectly normal female skeleton with some grave goods. One happened to be a common clay lamp with a gladiator motif on it, same as (no kidding) about half the lamps made in the Roman world. Somehow that got interpreted as PROOF that she had been a gladiator! Couldn't believe that. Oh, and there was also a little statuette of Isis, which was PROOF that she was an Egyptian priestess! Just bizarre.

There WERE female gladiators, we have clear references to that. But this British lady was not one of them. And gladiators are not warriors, of course! Not part of the society's normal military system.

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Old January 2nd, 2018, 05:38 AM   #13

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Our best known lady warrior is Rani Laxmibai of Jhansi, a small kingdom in central India. She was a young widow who adopted a child as her son. She had him proclaimed as the heir to the Jhansi crown, which adoption and the right of the child prince to ascend the throne of Jhansi were disallowed by Lord Dalhousie, then the Governor General of India. In 1857, she , therefore, joined the armed uprising against the East India Company's rule which was spread all over north India. The fort of Jhansi town was besieged by the English but she fought on very bravely. Her artillery did take a heavy toll of the troops of the East India Company under Sir Hugh Rose. She escaped from the siege which had become more and more effective, on horseback, along with a few dozens of her armed troops both male and female. Eventually, she was cornered by the British cavalry with whom she fought with great skill and courage and was killed fighting them.
General Sir Hugh Rose said that she was the bravest among all the rebels.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Lakshmibai

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Women are not suited to war

There are no real warrior women (though there have been and are female political leaders)

If a woman is successful at fighting, it is because the men around her allow it.
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I am wondering wich was the woman position in IE societies in warfare? In germanic tribes women did fight too ... so in other scythian and steppe tribes .. but in Roman and Greek ones women did not ... why ? Did it change or originally women did not fight?
It's odd that women warriors are rare. After all, it's not just about upper body strength; the army needs chefs, quartermasters, engineers messengers etc. yet women usually can't even do these duties.
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Says who. A woman named Margaret in fact once had Britain under her complete sway. For a good fifteen years too.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 12:59 AM   #17

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Female gladiators in the Roman arenas


May be the most curious aspect of this matter is that Romans put women as gladiator in their arenas.

This is historically recorded.

In 19CE the Larinum Senatus Consultum [a decree of the Senate] stated that it was prohibited to men an women to act as gladiators if relatives of Senators or equites.

The decree, on the "Tabula Larinas" quoted a previous one, from 11CE, which stated that women under 20 weren't allowed to enter the arena [this implies that it happened that women younger than 20 entered the arena ...].

Domitianus was known to appreciate a lot female gladiators [usually in night fight shows ... see Suetonius].

At Ostia an inscription by Hostilianus has found. This personage sustained to have been the first "editor" [an other term for munerarius] to have carried female gladiators to the town [actually, reading the epigraph he talk about their women dedicated to weapons, personally I understand that the women of those gladiators entered the arena with them].

Nero, at Puetoli, in 66CE, wanted women fighting in the arena as well.

Severus tried and ban combats with female gladiators around 200CE, but again later inscriptions at Ostia make us think that the decree was ignored [or at least the editors put the women in the arena when there were no men of the Emperor around ...].

We've got two female gladiator champions ...

At British Museum there is a low relief showing two female gladiators [two "provocatrices"] with their names: Amazon and Achillia [female version of Achilles! She had to be tough ...].
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I think there is a Term for Warrior women in Latin and that is Virago , it should be the equivalent of shieldmaiden identifiyng a warrior woman , could this be a relic word of a past were also women did fight in the same way as german women did?
Of course I do not speak of whole legions of women but rare cases of warrior women like in germanic society and steppe ones ...

Another relic could be the myth of amazons ?

Or the Roman/Greek Goddess Artemis/Minerva , Atena , Bellona , Enio ? described as virago.
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Another Ancient Myth before the Age of Rome from theLatin substratus seems to be the Volsci Virago Camilla , Described as exceptionally beautifull , strong and warrior and she was leader of Volsci ( indoeuropean italic tribe ) cavalry against the Rutuli ( another indoeuropean italic tribe meaning the blond ones ).
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In the ancient past, in some cultures, there was also the question of the institutional role. In KmT [Egypt] a king [later a Pharaoh] was expected to lead the armies in battle, so to be a warrior.

What happened when the Pharaoh was a woman? She had to play the role of the warrior king as well [warrior queen, we would say, but the gender of the figure of the Monarch was traditionally masculine, male, so that when a woman was Pharaoh she became a he ... anyway a Horo in the eyes of the Egyptians who separated the persons from the royal figure].

The queens Ahhotep [I, II] fought against Hyxsos and they got buried with military equipment without problems [XVII century BCE].

In the Assyrian Empire it happened something similar [more rarely]. The queen Samurramat [811 - 792BCE] remained alone, without husband, on the throne ... she had no choice ... [it seems she was the historical inspiration the warrior queen Seramide].
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