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Old January 3rd, 2018, 12:59 AM   #21

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I am talking of position of woman in indoeuropean society to understand if it was a base to primitive societies and eventually carried on in some still rpimitive societies like vikings and germanic tribes and slowly abandoned in civilized ones like Rome and Greece , but with echoes in mythology and history . Not contemplating Other nonindoeuropean cases.
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I am talking of position of woman in indoeuropean society to understand if it was a base to primitive societies and eventually carried on in some still rpimitive societies like vikings and germanic tribes and slowly abandoned in civilized ones like Rome and Greece , but with echoes in mythology and history . Not contemplating Other nonindoeuropean cases.
Ok, I was making a digression.

What I know about the Romans is that they kept on having female gladiators in their arenas and, a part someone [like Emperor Severus], they found this normal.

The real Amazons.

If we look at ancient times in Eastern Europe, there were the Scythians [or Scyths, an Iranian people, so Indo-European] who had female warriors [and also important, observing their tombs].

Some scholars make the hypothesis that they generated the myth of the Amazonas in ancient Greece [from 9th to 1st century BCE].

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Archaeologists have found skeletons buried with bows and arrows and quivers and spears and horses. At first they assumed that anyone buried with weapons in that region must have been a male warrior. But with the advent of DNA testing and other bioarchaeological scientific analysis, they've found that about one-third of all Scythian women are buried with weapons and have war injuries just like the men. The women were also buried with knives and daggers and tools.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ttoo-cannabis/
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Anglo-Saxons descendants of Israel.
Anglo-Saxons – lineal descendants of one of the people which followed Moses. Genetics discovered the Chechens and the Germans common Northern German mitochondrial DNA, that is maternal (see Yavus Akhmadovs statement in a round table of “RIA News” in Moscow).
Patrilineal the Chechens and the Ingush have Y DNA of haplogroup J2a, which in major of Cohens, descendant of Aaron, brother of Moses. The grandfather and his grandson from daughter will not have the same Y or Mt DNA, because these lines either only patrilineal or only matrilineal. Y DNA or Mitochondrial DNA are not betrays Anglo-Saxons as descendants of Israel, but they are their lineal descendants, as in the example of grandfather and his grandchildren by his daughter.
Middle Eastern Cohens Y DNA J2a of Gargareans-Chechen in the Caucasus moved to Northern German Mt DNA of Amazons. The historians well know that the Amazons were in alliance with Gargareans in Caucasus and in the three years bring back sons to their fathers. (as it written by Strabon)
Later Amazons have turned to patriarchy and the part of them with Sarmatians moved to Europe.
In the eddas of Vikings (descendants of Amazons!) is not random they pointing to Caucasus as their homeland.
Dr. A. Vagapov found over 5 thousand Chechen words in Old English language. Marcus Aurelius also resettled the Sarmatians - emigrants from Caucasus, to the Britain. Thousands of Chechen words in contemporary Europeans languages are not coincidental. Such known names as Lars, Akka, Utt, Buri, Hattuary, Angus, Van, Sassannach and others links Southwest Asia and Western Europe since ancient times of first civilizations. Albert Machigov.
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I don't know what 'indo-european society' is, so cant help.
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I don't know what 'indo-european society' is, so cant help.
Actually It's not so clear, anyway I make reference to Indo-European populations here. I guess this is what the OP means.
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Yes I refer to that but also a primordial original tribe of nomads in steppes from which all indoeuropeans stemmed.
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Yes I refer to that but also a primordial original tribe of nomads in steppes from which all indoeuropeans stemmed.
So we have to extend the temporal window to before of the Scythians ... not easy. I will see if there is something reliable around.
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Yes I refer to that but also a primordial original tribe of nomads in steppes from which all indoeuropeans stemmed.
Very honestly, I don't believe there's a "primordial original tribe".
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Actually It's not so clear, anyway I make reference to Indo-European populations here. I guess this is what the OP means.
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Very honestly, I don't believe there's a "primordial original tribe".
Maybe there was an original indo-european primordial man - and woman?

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Very honestly, I don't believe there's a "primordial original tribe".
I am basing the consideration on the reconstructed hypothesis like language and religion ... so I suppose there is even a culture...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prot...opean_religion

So if there was a warrior position for women in that society as present in steppe tribes germanic tribes etc what happened in roman society and greek ones ? Are there echoes of that position?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prot...ropean_society

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