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Old April 26th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #1

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Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


After Richard III's accession, the princes were gradually seen less and less within the Tower, and by the end of the summer of 1483 they had disappeared from public view altogether. Their fate remains unknown, but it is generally believed that they were killed. The three principal suspects are King Richard; his one-time ally Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham; and
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and took the throne as Henry VII. Bones were discovered in 1674 by workmen rebuilding a stairway in the Tower, and these were subsequently placed in Westminster Abbey, in an urn bearing the names of Edward and Richard. However it has never been proven that the bones belonged to the princes, so there remains a possibility that Edward survived the Tower. (wiki)

For a long time it was assumed that Richard III was responsible for their deaths, but the 20th century has seen Richard's reputation somewhat re-written, and it is by no means certain that he was responsible for the deaths of the two young princes.

What do people think? Are there any new theories out there?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 01:33 AM   #2

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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


Well Occams razor and all that.
I think it was done at the behest of Richard at least.
The War of the Roses was no time for mucking about with regencies and the like, so I have few doubts that the princes were killed and disposed of quickly and quietly.
Any theories to the contrary sound like romantic historical fiction to me.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:40 AM   #3

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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


Don't know about new theories, but Josephine Tey makes a pretty convincing (and entertaining) case that Richard didn't do it in her mystery novel The Daughter of Time. She pins it on Henry VII Tudor. This is one of those areas of history where we probably will never know the truth.
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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


The list of "cold cases" is long: Princes in the Tower, Cock Robin....
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Wasn't Nasty Richard, he is a Shakespeare construct, I think he was quite a good king!

Was Duke of Buckingham Henry Stafford.


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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


Almost certainly at the order of Richard, although I still love the idea that it may have been Henry Tudor, if it were true it is incredible how quickly and how dramatically the popular consensus on Richard and Henry would change.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #7

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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


Police Detectives always say, there is no such thing as a criminal mastermind. If you think it is the Uncle, Father, whomever, it usually is, so who had the most to gain from their demise?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #8

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Don't you go with who benefits the most? I think that Richard benefited most directly.


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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #9

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Re: Who killed the Princes in the Tower?


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Wasn't Nasty Richard, he is a Shakespeare construct, I think he was quite a good king!

Was Duke of Buckingham Henry Stafford.


I love The English history!

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Yes, it seems Richard was well liked in the north where he was in charge during his brother's reign. Furthermore, the bad name he aqcuired later seems rather incongruous with his behaviour before he became king.

But judging by what he gained from the boy's death, it would be fair to assume he was guilty. However, had they lived Richard would have been Regent for another 6 years at least - until Prince Edward was 18. So he wielded absolute power for a time without being king, and who knows what might have happened once the boy came of age?
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If you were one of the ranking nobles during that period, you were a claimant to the throne and you showed dynamic leadership...or even if you didn't, you could quickly find yourself an object of suspicion by those in power.
This was not helped by rapidly changing allegiances, a surfeit of retainers and semi-royal relatives lying around all over the place.

So yeah, had the boys not er...been misplaced, and Edward come to his majority, there is a good chance Richard could have found himself disposed of as a matter of course for being just too powerful and possibly having too much support had things gone bad for the sitting monarch.
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