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Old January 7th, 2018, 08:17 AM   #21

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The official story was that she killed herself
The German 'Official' wink wink nudge nudge (chambers luger) or the actual turn of events?
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Old January 7th, 2018, 09:02 AM   #22

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I've been following this thread with interest ...

To give a contribution, I would remind that Hitler suffered for all his life of toothache [this is something to keep in mind]. Then, let's not undermine his usage of drugs ...

Anyway, despite this [and a world war] as for I know it's true that Eva loved him and that he was cute and nice with her [Eva Braun accompanied him for years ... curiously enough she was his wife for less than 40 hours!].

This is quite typical for serial killers [they have always a beloved wife or a very important woman in their life]. About mass murders there is a basic difference: they tend not to have such a female figure in their life. This makes me think that Hitler was a Serial Killer.

Not rarely Serial Killers have got a female unconscious. This could explain some rumors about homosexuality, but SKs are not homosexual, their female unconscious is the reason why they act ... it enters in conflicts with the women in real life ...

But ...

at the and I agree with whom underlines that without a real analysis it's impossible to obtain a realistic diagnosis.
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Old January 7th, 2018, 09:20 AM   #23

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I've been following this thread with interest ...

To give a contribution, I would remind that Hitler suffered for all his life of toothache [this is something to keep in mind]. Then, let's not undermine his usage of drugs ...

Anyway, despite this [and a world war] as for I know it's true that Eva loved him and that he was cute and nice with her [Eva Braun accompanied him for years ... curiously enough she was his wife for less than 40 hours!].

This is quite typical for serial killers [they have always a beloved wife or a very important woman in their life]. About mass murders there is a basic difference: they tend not to have such a female figure in their life. This makes me think that Hitler was a Serial Killer.

Not rarely Serial Killers have got a female unconscious. This could explain some rumors about homosexuality, but SKs are not homosexual, their female unconscious is the reason why they act ... it enters in conflicts with the women in real life ...

But ...

at the and I agree with whom underlines that without a real analysis it's impossible to obtain a realistic diagnosis.
I believe that Hitler displayed significant sociopatic tendencies, but he still functioned as a normal individual. Many other people throughout history were similar in this regard.

Ultimately, Hitler was an enigma, even to his closest associates and people who knew him intimately (like his friend from youth whose book I quoted). I think we should separate the public persona he created with the man he was in private.

Based on the material I've read on him, Hitler in private was not very charismatic, but rather dull and depressive. Kershaw argued that Hitler was an empty shell.
The man teetered on the edge of suicide for great part of his adult life.
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I believe that Hitler displayed significant sociopatic tendencies, but he still functioned as a normal individual. Many other people throughout history were similar in this regard.

Ultimately, Hitler was an enigma, even to his closest associates and people who knew him intimately (like his friend from youth whose book I quoted). I think we should separate the public persona he created with the man he was in private.

Based on the material I've read on him, Hitler in private was not very charismatic, but rather dull and depressive. Kershaw argued that Hitler was an empty shell.
The man teetered on the edge of suicide for great part of his adult life.
No one understands that his neighbor is a Serial Killer ... when sociopaths obtain a social roles they act like common individuals ... until it comes the time to order to begin a war which will kill dozens of millions of persons ...

A part this ...

I keep on repeating that it's an unconscious desire which makes us think that Hitler was different from a common human being, that he was a monster ... NOT AT ALL! Adolf Hitler was exactly like your nice and beloved child.

Don't hope to isolate him from mankind.

He was a common mediocre human being, like anybody else. Period.

Circumstances and his own decisions carried him to be what history recalls.

But Herr Hitler was a common mediocre human being.
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No one understands that his neighbor is a Serial Killer ... when sociopaths obtain a social roles they act like common individuals ... until it comes the time to order to begin a war which will kill dozens of millions of persons ...

A part this ...

I keep on repeating that it's an unconscious desire which makes us think that Hitler was different from a common human being, that he was a monster ... NOT AT ALL! Adolf Hitler was exactly like your nice and beloved child.

Don't hope to isolate him from mankind.

He was a common mediocre human being, like anybody else. Period.

Circumstances and his own decisions carried him to be what history recalls.

But Herr Hitler was a common mediocre human being.
I agree with you completely! I've always been suspicious to these attempts to dehumanize Hitler.
The only thing where I don't agree with your post is that Hitler was mediocre. Before I got into more research about Hitler, I was inclined to think that he was a bit crude and simplistic person, but facts about his life seem to point out otherwise.

If only because of his extraordinary charisma that enabled him to seduce a whole nation, Hitler could not be called ordinary.
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I agree with you completely! I've always been suspicious to these attempts to dehumanize Hitler.
The only thing where I don't agree with your post is that Hitler was mediocre. Before I got into more research about Hitler, I was inclined to think that he was a bit crude and simplistic person, but facts about his life seem to point out otherwise.

If only because of his extraordinary charisma that enabled him to seduce a whole nation, Hitler could not be called ordinary.
No, I'm not undermining the figure ... I'm undermining the "starting condition".

Also Mussolini was a guy not deserving two cents ...

There are persons able to get the opportunity [The Opportunity] to write history. No doubt about this. But this doesn't make them superior to common human beings.

I'm an IT manager ... many other persons were in the condition to obtain my job ... I obtained it. Am I superior? No. I'm probably smarter and may be I was in the right place in the right moment.
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No, I'm not undermining the figure ... I'm undermining the "starting condition".

Also Mussolini was a guy not deserving two cents ...

There are persons able to get the opportunity [The Opportunity] to write history. No doubt about this. But this doesn't make them superior to common human beings.

I'm an IT manager ... many other persons were in the condition to obtain my job ... I obtained it. Am I superior? No. I'm probably smarter and may be I was in the right place in the right moment.
All true. Speaking of Hitler, I don't think he was a mediocrity. He had an extraordinary political wit. He failed as a warlord, but it still doesn't negate his successes as a politician.
In essence, isn't it true for all great figures of history that they possessed that sense to see the opportunity and use it to their advantage?
Like the Romans used to say: Carpe Diem.

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Old January 7th, 2018, 01:56 PM   #28

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I think Hitler's early life is worth a look. At school, he loved learning German history and most of his playtime was spent as a soldier fighting German battles. Personally, I sometimes wonder if he ever got killed in any of those battles? Or did he always want to heroically win?

His father was a customs officer and part-time drunk. What you may not know is that the young Adolf was subjected to a lot of physical abuse by his father. Hitler once torched a bee-hive belonging to his father. The result was a beating so severe, that it was though by some that Hitler almost died as a result.

Hitler was more attached to his mother than his father. When his mother died of breast cancer, he was totally grief stricken at her loss. And with that, he picked up some "emotional baggage" that he never got rid of.

I found something interesting on YouTube. Roald Dahl's Tales of the Unexpected. Keep watching right to the end.


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Old January 7th, 2018, 02:43 PM   #29

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Have you actually read the report to FDR on Hitler? I have, it does not go into the sources of info. It was based on the best info our intelligence gathered analyzed by an eminent psychiatrist. "calling it unsubstantiated and from a single source" is misleading.

People's personalities are made up of elements that are more or less absolute . Anyone with the same quality is like everyone else with it and one can predict what someone will do if one knows enough of their qualities.

Exactly.There is no confirmed source for the claim that Hitler was into bizarre sexual practices with his niece. The problem with talking about Hitler, as has been pointed out elsewhere on Historum, is that everyone is only too ready to believe anything negative about him, given he was such an evil man, and no one will rush to defend him.
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Valens- Hitler was a murdering, racist, basttrd and any 'charisma' he had is the kind that the human race can do without.permanently.
So stop trying to rouge up the cheeks of that syphillitic old tart, German National Socialism and its perverted leader.
To me anyone expressing admiration for Hitler today should be subjected to examination under their country's mental health acts.
To the Aussie who asked me the question-yes indeed!.Most noral decent human beings would have been grateful that their Jewish commanding officer had rewarded them by having no subsequent truck with racial hatred against his coreligionists.t
Belgarion -you can't defend the indefensible and Hitler and Nazism are totally indefensible.
I am not having a pop at you personally here but the kind of morons who say But look at the great Autobahnen that Hitler built...'' are pathetic.
IN most modern civilised societies if your defence counsel said-as a mitigating plea- 'BUT MY LORD my client may have murdered many people but he is a bloody good road builder the judge would righlty tell him to get lost.
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