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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:13 PM   #1

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Cromwell's England: Dianetics?

Oliver Cromwell (25 April 1599 3 September 1658) was an English military and political leader. He served as Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland from 1653 until his death. He was a member of the short-lived Rump Parliament (the Rump Parliament was the English Parliament after Colonel Thomas Pride purged the Long Parliament, on 6 December 1648, of those members hostile to the Grandees' intention to try King Charles I for high treason. "Rump" normally means the hind end of an animal or backside; its use meaning "remnant" was first recorded in the above context in English. Since 1649, the term "rump parliament" has been used to refer to any parliament left over from the actual legitimate parliament) and signed the death warrant of King Charles I in 1649 (source of information: Wikipedia).

Cromwell was very austere about Protestant practices and was not very tolerant of Roman Catholic excesses and wanted to see an England 'managed' by principles of pedestrianism and populism sovereignty under the 'guidance' of himself (the Lord Protector).

Some historians consider Cromwell a dictator while others consider him a true revolutionary. Most agree however that he certainly put a stamp on the British Parliament as a house for all kinds of reform-minded discussions (good or bad).

For this modern age of high commercial traffic and consumerism-based political 'etiquette' (e.g., European Union, Wall Street, NATO, etc.), we can learn from the history of Cromwell's England and what it means for today's 'brand' of pedestrian-based customs/governance (e.g., World Bank, Wall Street, etc.).

While it may seem 'convenient' to paint Cromwell as a 'people's rhetorician' and his 'adversary' King Charles I as a 'stubborn monarchy statue,' many historians argue that the real lessons gained from the history of Cromwell's England concerns not pedestrianism passions but rather unrelenting governance paranoia, which is why (arguably) Cromwell has been an intrigue-character for films/storytelling (e.g., A Man for All Seasons, Cromwell).

Personally, I find it illuminating to cast Oliver Cromwell in the light of populism-based political turbulence, since we can then compare him to 'pedestrianism-pulpit' social leaders such as Napoleon, Henry Clay, and even Donald Trump.


CROMWELL: Governance is about liberal but reliable supervision.
TRUMP: People like to be shown examples of prosperity.
CROMWELL: Give the people images, and they will drink wine!
TRUMP: Politicians are required to comfort the 'savage beast.'
CROMWELL: Enlightenment is based on productivity, not happiness.
TRUMP: Fortune is a resource, and every social leader worries...
CROMWELL: The fears of politicians are levied against the woes of farms.
TRUMP: Divisions within the government can not be addressed by anger.
CROMWELL: It is precisely by conscious will that government can be gripped.
TRUMP: I agree that pedestrians favor 'society-based policies.'
CROMWELL: Expediency is as much about policy as it is about rhetorics.
TRUMP: We may drown in rhetorics; the people crave investments.
CROMWELL: Investments are a signal to the government, not artists.
TRUMP: We'll see how commerce shapes the romantics...


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Old January 11th, 2018, 11:08 AM   #2

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He did his best to ensure religious tolerance, and overall was a reasonale ruler. He expanded the English (later British) Empire. And brought back the Jews, centuries after Edward Longshanks had expelled them. The wars in Ireland were moot. Yes he went overboard, though the Civil War overall was savage.
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Not too popular in Cornwall - well he wouldn't be if anyone knew history here. Cornwall having been mainly Royalist in the war, let's just say he did the same here as he did in Ireland
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Originally Posted by johnincornwall View Post
Not too popular in Cornwall - well he wouldn't be if anyone knew history here. Cornwall having been mainly Royalist in the war, let's just say he did the same here as he did in Ireland
Yes but unless you can correct me the Cornish Royalists hadn't massacred the Cornish Parliamentarians in 1641?

Cromwell did nothing to his opponents they hadn't done to his side first and was much more merciful, forget all the Irish Nationalist propaganda. He was voted one of the 10 greatest Britons and rightly so.
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Old January 21st, 2018, 05:38 AM   #5

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And brought back the Jews, centuries after Edward Longshanks had expelled them
Does this have any bearing on the subject at hand? I don't say that it is inherently a bad thing, maybe only from my standpoint, but I can't see how it is a good one either.
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Old January 21st, 2018, 08:25 AM   #6

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Curious comparison.

I've been in the odd world of Scientology and I studied the techs of Dianetics [I had also occasions to experiment them].

Hubbard wasn't a populist leader, he was a kind of saint founder [in Scientology they still celebrate Hubbard birthday, even if he's gone ... like Christians for Jesus!].

So, can you elaborate more the point?
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Old January 21st, 2018, 09:06 AM   #7

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Originally Posted by AlpinLuke View Post

Curious comparison.
Curious indeed, not to mention the Trump/Cromwell reference. If one wants to do that he must go to the other place - http://defendingthetruth.com/politic...paign=politics

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