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Old January 8th, 2018, 07:13 PM   #1

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House Names and the concept of Houses


When did these come about? I'm reading Dan Jones' book on the Plantagenet kings and one of the first things mentioned was that the name of the royal house of England was actually adopted rather late (in the 15th century). What were they called during the height of their power? Where they just the "House of England"? The House of Anjou? That seems unlikely after King John. It's mentioned in the book that after the capture of Acre, King Richard tore down the ducal standard of the Leopold V, Duke of Austria and replaced it with his own. Did the House of Babenberg exist at the time? So they must've had some sort of signifier of their house at the time before the Plantagenets received their now infamous name.
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I'm not sure to grasp the sense of the OP.

As for I know, the concept of "House" [or "Casato", Latin term which is used also in English, but this term indicates only a male lineage] is actually historically quite recent.

Before of that there was the dynasty to represent royal kinship [and the reference to the family, enlarged to a clan, sometime, in some cultures; not rarely there was the expression "son of ... son of ... son of ..."]. So there was the direct indication of the ancestry.
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When did these come about? I'm reading Dan Jones' book on the Plantagenet kings and one of the first things mentioned was that the name of the royal house of England was actually adopted rather late (in the 15th century). What were they called during the height of their power? Where they just the "House of England"? The House of Anjou? That seems unlikely after King John. It's mentioned in the book that after the capture of Acre, King Richard tore down the ducal standard of the Leopold V, Duke of Austria and replaced it with his own. Did the House of Babenberg exist at the time? So they must've had some sort of signifier of their house at the time before the Plantagenets received their now infamous name.
Why infamous?
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When did these come about? I'm reading Dan Jones' book on the Plantagenet kings and one of the first things mentioned was that the name of the royal house of England was actually adopted rather late (in the 15th century). What were they called during the height of their power? Where they just the "House of England"? The House of Anjou? That seems unlikely after King John. It's mentioned in the book that after the capture of Acre, King Richard tore down the ducal standard of the Leopold V, Duke of Austria and replaced it with his own. Did the House of Babenberg exist at the time? So they must've had some sort of signifier of their house at the time before the Plantagenets received their now infamous name.
The Anglo-Saxon kings were from the house of Odin/Wōden.
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