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Brahmavarta January 10th, 2018 05:35 AM

Do EngnlishDutchand Nordicpeople consider themselves part of wider Germanic Family ?
 
wider Germanic family includes Germanic Language speakers.

authun January 10th, 2018 06:15 AM

I think they are more keen to stress the differences than the similarities. It has changed since the georgian and victorian times when they were keen to highlight the common heritage. Plus, parts of England for example, such as Yorkshire, like to play up the norse part of the heritage, basically because they don't want to be associated with the suthengli, and thinking you are a viking is much cooler than being a saxon.

PaulRyckier January 10th, 2018 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by authun (Post 2884090)
I think they are more keen to stress the differences than the similarities. It has changed since the georgian and victorian times when they were keen to highlight the common heritage. Plus, parts of England for example, such as Yorkshire, like to play up the norse part of the heritage, basically because they don't want to be associated with the suthengli, and thinking you are a viking is much cooler than being a saxon.

Authun,

:)

I was in Newcastle, apart from their Geordie they seemed to me Englishmen as the others...but perhaps I didn't catched the finesses about the Northern and the Southern :)

Kind regards from Paul.

authun January 10th, 2018 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulRyckier (Post 2884156)
I was in Newcastle, apart from their Geordie they seemed to me Englishmen as the others...but perhaps I didn't catched the finesses about the Northern and the Southern :)

Geordies are english of course but are less influenced by the norse than Yorkshire was. They were rather more influenced by the lowland scots than the south of England and they claim to be much more friendly and trusting, always telling you how you could leave your door open. Well, my landlady did leave the door open and I got my camera equipment stolen, so I wouldn't recommend it. There are lots of jibes between those north of the Tyne and those south of it. Infact, Syemon of Durham writing at the end of the 11th cent/beginning of the 12th cent. wrote that the land between the Tyne and Tees was thick with forest and infested with wolves and thieves. Geordies will tell you cheerfully that it still is.

They are much more tolerant of southerns than the southerns are of them. Geordies would take great offence at the remarks about them. No right minded southerner would go to a bar in Newcastle and repeat those remarks.

This is a north eastern views of the british isles:

http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/...typesNorth.png


and this is a southern english view of the british isles:

http://i.imgur.com/n9qUOAr.png



As you can see, no one is discussing ethnic heritage. It just isn't something that people think about. They will make jokes about stereotypes, but that's it.

Aelfwine January 10th, 2018 11:24 AM

When I was staying in Keswick, Cumbria, at the time of the Scottish referendum, a number of the locals were actually hostile towards the Scots. Others were more concerned about what the new British flag would look like if Scotland seceded from the UK. None of those I spoke to were actually concerned that Scotland might vote to leave the union.

redcoat January 10th, 2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brahmavarta (Post 2884081)
wider Germanic family includes Germanic Language speakers.

Nobody I know considers themselves Germanic.

Brahmavarta January 10th, 2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by authun (Post 2884090)
I think they are more keen to stress the differences than the similarities. It has changed since the georgian and victorian times when they were keen to highlight the common heritage. Plus, parts of England for example, such as Yorkshire, like to play up the norse part of the heritage, basically because they don't want to be associated with the suthengli, and thinking you are a viking is much cooler than being a saxon.

being Viking or Saxon is same because i think original Saxons were Nordic Germanic Tribe as well.

Scaeva January 10th, 2018 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brahmavarta (Post 2884485)
being Viking or Saxon is same because i think original Saxons were Nordic Germanic Tribe as well.

Not quite.

By the time the Vikings began raiding England it had been four centuries since the Saxons settled England, in all that time culture and language had shifted greatly. They were two separate peoples, regardless of whatever ancient ties they may have had.

If you're just referring to ethnicity, the Anglo-Saxons just like their modern English descendants were also in large part descended from the Britons. While some displacement of the Britons did occur during the Saxon invasion of England, there was also cultural assimilation and intermarriage.

stevev January 11th, 2018 12:05 AM

I have Flemish ancestry. I speak a "Germanic" language (English). Do I consider myself Germanic? Hell no!

Eryl Enki January 11th, 2018 12:29 AM

Not all Germanic tribes were related. They originated in different regions of the world and might have started as completely different ethnic people (even race in case of the Huns that assimilated into some Germanic tribes).

They simply adopted the Germanic language and some aspects of the culture. The Franks weren't that similar to the Goths. The Salian Franks had vineyards and were romanized to some extent for example.
Bavarians for example aren't really a Germanic people but a Germanized Gallic people.
Norse were even more different in term of features and origin as well as culture. A Scandinavian doesn't quite look like an Englishman on average.

Germanic culture is an umbrella term. They were just as likely to fight each other than completely foreign ethnicities. The Vikings raided England, France and Germany and would slaughter anyone in their path. So they had little regards for other "Germanic" people.


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